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>>22543666
>this terminates with the atheism you find in all the major historically Christian countries
This atheism isn't sustainable, obviously, nor do I see it as an inevitable end of Christianity. Not to say it couldn't end, but it's still too early to call it.
>which even now you are merely pretending to believe in in order to spite the Nietzsche appreciators
This is quite spergy and tunnel visioned. Is your Nietzschian appreciation a means to spite Christians? I wouldn't think so, so the why do others need to pretend to believe in something that is seemingly at odds with yours?
Think about it. You could pretend to believe in Nietzsche's will to power as a means to feel better about your shortcomings, to feel your ego inflated by Nietzsche's powerful, striving rhetoric. I imagine you're more complicated than that though.
Again I don't see how your Nietzschian appreciation is any different from other seemingly arbitrary belief structures that Nietzsche would denounce. To use it as an ontological or epistemological system to denounce others seems absurd, in that I see Nietzsche's will to power as a mode of action and being, not a mode of reductionist argument.
I know somewhere in Thus Spoke Zarathustra Nietzsche calls for the great men to make their own path, I wish more Nietzsche supporters didn't keep him boxed in like they do. At least the French pedos and necrophiliacs did something different with him.
>who you are wishing an overpowering third party would punish so that you might enjoy their tormented screams
Is it possible that a poster could use an illustrative example that they would never actually wish for? I don't truly wish that on you or any other Nietzschian appreciator, anon. I would even call myself a Nietzsche appreciator. It was an implicit reminder that your power striving might be a sycophantic relationship with what you've construed as powerful.

>>21688643
The more rational side of me sees it as a kind of human software gone mad, kind of like what I think >>21688593 is referring to.
Humanity normally reaches a certain decadent period, which leads to all sorts of software/hardware going haywire, but we're in such a technologically advanced age that the decadence might last long past its due, and/or the inevitable fall will be catastrophic on a worldwide scale.
I got around to reading the bible some years back, and one thing that really stood out to me was the idea of idolatry. When we don't give God his due (or Truth, or human humility in the face of the Awesome Power, whatever you conceive), a vacuum forms and we fills ourselves with all kinds of crazy shit. We've hit such a massive scale of idolatry, again in a technologically advanced age, that things are going to get real fucky.
The more schizo side of me doesn't see "haywire software/hardware" and "demonic possession" as mutually exclusive. Of course you can substitute demon for a malevolent, non-corporeal force beyond our material conception.
Finally the hope I have is an intuition deep down that this won't be a permanent state of affairs for us. You referenced Revelations in an earlier post, and I think it's going to be akin to something like that, though not in a definite end of all humanity and earth. We're going to have something more akin to the fall of Babel. It's just the nature of this world that the towers we construct come crashing down by divine intervention/human hubris, which again are not mutually exclusive.

Inspired by that thread on Tarot poems that pops up frequently.

XVI. THE TOWER OF GOD.

O Lord, whose might and wrath break men,
Whose righteous anger doth cast nations down,
O Lord, whose hand is a sword of steel,
Whose arm is like a spear of bronze,
Your gaze is lightning and thunder to the wicked.
Your enemies cower and flee from Your voice,
Which, like a trumpet, sounds from afar
And declares the judgment of evil at hand.

The heathen lies below, content in his house
Of vanity that rises high to the heavens.
His vault filled with sin, his heart full of pride,
He sleeps near the walls that stoutly protect him.
But what is this anthill, this mound of baked bricks
Before God, who pours out His anger on the world?
Behold, the walls of His foes will crumble.
Like a sheep in the night who is caught by the lion,
Like a tyrant whose killer lurks in the night,
The wicked will cry out in anguish, and fall.

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