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>tfw Buddhistanon extended a conciliatory hand and was willing to agree to disagree but the partisanship inculcated in him made him change his mind and delete his post to continue arguing
you were so close! it's too bad

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>This still makes assumptions about something outside of experience, preceding experience.
It is not something 'outside' but is intimately bound up with experience, every perception of unreal phenomena taking place 'within it' in a sense; but in normal mundane existence the Atma is confused with the unreal phenomena it illuminates. Shankara and Dzogchen Buddhism some centuries later both used the same metaphor about a clear crystal seeming to take on the color of the cloth it is placed next to while remaining unchanged itself.
>A true self which precedes and pervades the experience of all beings, yet only your own experience is knowable.
Knowable through it, as the seer of sight, the hearer of sound and so on. The pure experiencing and abiding subject through which all subject-objects relations are made cognizant, but which is different from all those objects as well as the ego or anything else pertaining to the body or individual. It is not considered to be permanently 'unknowable' (although it can never be known in a subject-object duality, for this would impose limits on it which is considered to be infinite and unlimited as Brahman, so anything in a duality is never Atma/Brahman), but rather when one attains moksha according to Vedantic teachings one is considered to realize the truth of and abide as the pure awareness alone.