/lit/ - Literature

>>21212606
>>21212298

>Be Ol' Fakey
>Fake it all
>Fake it till you make it
>put Silmarillion in the drawer and never release it because understand it was not an original work, but rather a sad retelling of the Finnish national epic, Kalevala
>Die
>Your son finds the manuscripts
>Puts them all together
>Call it "Silmarillion"
>Never mention the Finns or Kalevala
>Never give credit to the Finnish national epic
>"My father was a genius! He invented all this mythos from his own head without the influence of Finns, at all!

How much Tolkien exactly did steal from the Finns and the Kalevala?

>Tolkien wrote that The Story of Kullervo was ‘the germ of my attempt to write legends of my own’, and was ‘a major matter in the legends of the First Age’; his Kullervo was the ancestor of Túrin Turambar, tragic incestuous hero of The Silmarillion. In addition to being a powerful story in its own right, The Story of Kullervo – published here for the first time with the author’s drafts, notes and lecture-essays on its source-work, The Kalevala, is a foundation stone in the structure of Tolkien’s invented world.

Verlyn Flieger, who wrote that above quotation, is the Professor in the Department of English at the University of Maryland.

Why does /lit/ say that the influence of Kalevala was rather minor, when university professors and academia say contrary things and tell us that the Finnish myths and national epics of Finland formed the very backbone of Tolkien's mythological world?

Who is right? Some neckbeards on 4chinz or actual professors who study linguistics, mythology and world literature?

>Be Ol' Fakey
>Fake it all
>Fake it till you make it
>put Silmarillion in the drawer and never release it because understand it was not an original work, but rather a sad retelling of the Finnish national epic, Kalevala
>Die
>Your son finds the manuscripts
>Puts them all together
>Call it "Silmarillion"
>Never mention the Finns or Kalevala
>Never give credit to the Finnish national epic
>"My father was a genius! He invented all this mythos from his own head without the influence of Finns, at all!

How much Tolkien exactly did steal from the Finns and the Kalevala?

>Tolkien wrote that The Story of Kullervo was ‘the germ of my attempt to write legends of my own’, and was ‘a major matter in the legends of the First Age’; his Kullervo was the ancestor of Túrin Turambar, tragic incestuous hero of The Silmarillion. In addition to being a powerful story in its own right, The Story of Kullervo – published here for the first time with the author’s drafts, notes and lecture-essays on its source-work, The Kalevala, is a foundation stone in the structure of Tolkien’s invented world.

Verlyn Flieger, who wrote that above quotation, is the Professor in the Department of English at the University of Maryland.

Why does /lit/ say that the influence of Kalevala was rather minor, when university professors and academia say contrary things and tell us that the Finnish myths and national epics of Finland formed the very backbone of Tolkien's mythological world?

Who is right? Some neckbeards on 4chan or actual professors who study linguistics, mythology and literature?

>Be Ol' Fakey
>Fake it all
>Fake it till you make it
>put Silmarillion in the drawer and never release it because understand it was not an original work, but rather a sad retelling of the Finnish national epic, Kalevala
>Die
>Your son finds the manuscripts
>Puts them all together
>Call it "Silmarillion"
>Never mention the Finns or Kalevala
>Never give credit to the Finnish national epic
>"My father was a genius! He invented all this mythos from his own head without the influence of Finns, at all!

How much Tolkien exactly did steal from the Finns and the Kalevala?

>Tolkien wrote that The Story of Kullervo was ‘the germ of my attempt to write legends of my own’, and was ‘a major matter in the legends of the First Age’; his Kullervo was the ancestor of Túrin Turambar, tragic incestuous hero of The Silmarillion. In addition to being a powerful story in its own right, The Story of Kullervo – published here for the first time with the author’s drafts, notes and lecture-essays on its source-work, The Kalevala, is a foundation stone in the structure of Tolkien’s invented world.

Verlyn Flieger, who wrote that above quotation, is the Professor in the Department of English at the University of Maryland.

Why does /lit/ say that the influence of Kalevala was rather minor, when university professors and academia say contrary things and tell us that the Finnish myths and national epics of Finland formed the very backbone of Tolkien's mythological world?

Who is right? Some neckbeards on 4chan or actual professors who study linguistics, mythology and literature?

>>20748089
hurr go away you troll boy back to /pol/ Mr. Tolkien is a genius!

Meanwhile in reality:
>Be Ol' Fakey
>Fake it all
>Fake it till you make it
>put Silmarillion in the drawer and never release it because understand it was not an original work, but rather a sad retelling of Kalevala
>Die
>Your son finds the manuscripts
>Puts them all together
>Call it "Silmarillion"
>Never mention the Finns or Kalevala
>Never give creadit to the Finnish national epic
>"My father was a genius! He invented all this mythos from his own head without the influence of Finns, at all!

How much Tolkien exactly did steal from the Finns and the Kalevala?

>Tolkien wrote that The Story of Kullervo was ‘the germ of my attempt to write legends of my own’, and was ‘a major matter in the legends of the First Age’; his Kullervo was the ancestor of Túrin Turambar, tragic incestuous hero of The Silmarillion. In addition to being a powerful story in its own right, The Story of Kullervo – published here for the first time with the author’s drafts, notes and lecture-essays on its source-work, The Kalevala, is a foundation stone in the structure of Tolkien’s invented world.

Verlyn Flieger, who wrote that above quotation, is the Professor in the Department of English at the University of Maryland.

Why does /lit/ say that the influence of Kalevala was rather minor, when university professors and academia say contrary things and tell us that the Finnish myths and national epics of Finland formed the very backbone of Tolkien's mythological world?

Who is right? Some neckbeards on 4chan or actual professors who study linguistics, mythology and literature?

He stole from the Finns and The Kalevala.

>Be Ol' Fakey
>Fake it all
>Fake it till you make it
>put Silmarillion in the drawer and never release it because understand it was not an original work, but rather a sad retelling of Kalevala
>Die
>Your son finds the manuscripts
>Puts them all together
>Call it "Silmarillion"
>Never mention the Finns or Kalevala
>"My father was a genius!"

Sad little man, sad little estate. There was a reason Old Fakey did not want to see the manuscript of Silmarillion published during his lifetime.

Instead, hid it to his drawer unfinished.

If I would have been his son I would have honestly burned it/thrown into trash. The worst part is that he never gave credit to Finns/Kalevala for Silmarillion.

>Be Ol' Fakey
>Fake it all
>Fake it till you make it
>put Silmarillion in the drawer and never release it because understand it was not an original work, but rather a sad retelling of Kalevala
>Die
>Your son finds the manuscripts
>Puts them all together
>Call it "Silmarillion"
>Never mention the Finns or Kalevala
>"My father was a genius!"

Sad little man, sad little estate. There was a reason Old Fakey did not want to see the manuscript of Silmarillion published during his lifetime.

Instead, hid it to his drawer unfinished.

If I would have been his son I would have honestly burned it/thrown into trash. The worst part is that he never gave credit to Finns/Kalevala for Silmarillion.

>>18371126
>Be Ol' Fakey
>Fake it all
>Fake it till you make it
>put Silmarillion in the drawer and never release it because understand it was not an original work, but rather a sad retelling of Kalevala
>Die
>Your son finds the manuscripts
>Puts them all together
>Call it "Silmarillion"
>Never mention the Finns or Kalevala
>"My father was a genius!"

Sad little man, sad little estate. There was a reason Old Fakey did not want to see the manuscript of Silmarillion published during his lifetime.

Instead, hid it to his drawer unfinished.

If I would have been his son I would have honestly burned it/thrown into trash. The worst part is that he never gave credit to Finns/Kalevala for Silmarillion.