/lit/ - Literature

>>15127215
this, /pol/cucks are deluding themselves.If there's a happening their primary form of participation in in will be screaming something like
>wait, who are you?
>What are You doing here-
>AAAAAAAAAAAA HE'S PUTTING IT IN MY ANUS AAAAAAAAAAA

as their last words.

"Jack and Jill"
by Ernest Hemingway

Jack and Jill
Went up the hill
To fetch a pail of water.
"Damn this hill," said Jack.
"no, Jack, damn that water," said Jill.
At the top, then,
the bucket filled, they looked at one another.
A moment of fleeting recognition passed.
They each continued upon their own way,
together.
Jack fell down.
"Damn," thought Jack.
"Dammit, Jack!" thought Jill.
But Jack went down.
And broke his crown.
"Damn this crown," Jack thought,
"and damn this water"
"No, Jack," said Jill. "Damn the hill."
And Jill came tumbling after.

>>14545496
>So, 90%+ of the jobs become obsolete, and what happens?
No one currently knows, and the answer to this question will define what it means to live in 2030-2050.

My expectation is the default option which happens in most impoverished nations, today: nobody really agrees on what should be done, nobody does anything or all actions ultimately cancel out, and things just get worse slowly. A few very rich people living on vast compounds are tended to servants working for sustenance wages (because the labor market is so over-saturated), and everyone else lives meagerly or in abject poverty.

The first hints you'd see of this poverty beginning to squeeze would likely be among the precarious: among the ill, among those who don't have a career yet and aren't yet in stable living conditions, and among the poorest workers.

A quick thought: what are some of the biggest hot button issues of the last decade?
>medical expenses
>student loan debt
>migrant labor
But, that's probably just coincidence, right?

>For whom are goods being produced if nobody has any purchase power?
You've assumed the goods are produced for your purchase, this certainly is not the case even today in countries like Indonesia, China, and Vietnam.

Ruthless calculus: all you technically need to survive each day is a liter of non-saline water, a multivitamin served with 1600 calories of cheap foodstuff, and a room to sleep in kept warm enough that you don't freeze to death overnight. It's not much of a life, but there's a wide range of lives between
>post-scarcity future where robots cater to all of your physical, sexual, emotional, and personal needs, freeing you and all humans from the yoke of labor and catapulting us into a golden age of art and science
and the
>Everyone shares lukewarm rooms, gets oatmeal-plus-vitamins, and a minimum-necessary water-ration
lifestyle.

But you're getting SOMETHING on that scale, and the default option is much closer to the oatmeal.

>Until the selected few just kill off the masses?
Lives are cheap, bullets and guns are expensive. The good news is no one's coming for you. The bad news is no one's coming for you.

>What about democracy?
Will be ineffectual unless used in the near future. Market forces and AI will put it under increasing strain, and depending on your view of outrage culture, already are ruining politics. It will either be made to accommodate ocietal change, caused this time by AI and robotic's supremacy - or it'll have to face those things unprepared. Historically, this means tyrants.

>Will people not be able to vote against the use of robots if they are all unemployed?
People generally don't vote against slow moving catastrophes. They're too easy to ignore, and throwing money at obscuring the issues works too well and is too strongly incentivized for those winning from robotics. This is why the default option is my expectation.

You've said, roughly,
>But if that happens, lots of bad things could happen!
Answer: yes.

hmm

Why is his dialogue SO DAMN GOOD, /lit/?

>I'm writing. Again.
>You're drunk Hemingway
>It's Hemmingway, babyshoes.
>Well
>It's about an old man. And the sea.
>How's it called?

recently bought these books, which should i start with and why?

me: crying at night at the thought of death and nothingness, finds life worthless (le edgy :^))

The World as Will and Representation I
Fear and Trembling
The Myth of Sisyphus
Nausea
Beyond Good and Evil
No Exit And Three Other Plays
The Old Man and the Sea
The First and Last Freedom
For Whom the Bell Tolls
Essays and Aphorisms
Freedom from the Known
The Stranger
The Sickness Unto Death
Existentialism Is a Humanism
Being and Nothingness

Please check out my prose and critique it. Thanks.

>He stood at the bar and gripped the edge of the bar with both hands, one of which was greatly mangled from an accident in his youth. The bartender walked over to him, presumably to take the order which would given by him. Then the order was given, after the bartender said, in the customary manner: “What kind of drink will it be this time? An apple teeny?” They shared a laugh at this question which was posed by the overweight bartender, who was a manly man. You see, the bartender thought that a man should only drink beer or hard liker. But, as usual, the man in question—our main character—ordered something so girly as to make everyone else at the bar look at him in udder amazement. It was a spectacle, to be sure. Then he took the drink and gulped it down, without paying much attention to the negative looks and giggles that came from the other patrons. They thought, with collective amusement, “This man is deformed and drinks the girly beverages.” It was a funny sight, you understand. But he was mostly in oblivion to their harsh judgement. He was better than to stoop the level of a smaller man than he ordinarily was in both stature and demeanor. He had such a cool disposition, in fact, that he brought a single terminology to people’s minds: chill. Yes, he was very chill, like the legendary villain Mr. Freeze, played by Arnold Schwarzenegger.

ITT: Authors with amazing stories but awful prose, or authors with amazing prose but awful stories

Hemingway's prose is garbage.

>tfw not a tortured, alcoholic genius writer

I wanna read some Hemingway.
Where to start?

Humans are very passionate and predictable creatures - the best writers write about people, even if the setting or plot is not one you yourself have lived.

That's the reason we identify with characters in the first place?

If you're a good writer you should be able to write in any setting or time and do it well so long as you understand the character you're writing about

>>4388501

>>4348976

I just started reading again recently, but this is what I'm trying to do, and so far it's working. I am studying history, so this might not work as well for fiction, but for nonfiction, this seems great -

- Pick 3 books that interest you but have fairly different topics
- Get a spiral notebook. Copy down the index of each of the three books, each book's index its own page. You don't need names, just numbers will work (as long as you know which is which)
- Try to read everyday. When you are feeling super enthusiastic about a book, keep going! When you are burning out, take a break or read one of the other 2 books.
- Whenever you finish a chapter or section or whatever, cross it off in the notebook. Feel good about it.
- When you finish a book, add a new one to the main three.
- IF YOU ADD A BOOK TO THE QUEUE (of 3) DON'T REMOVE IT TILL IT'S FINISHED


This might sound a bit spergy, but it helps me focus and I find I learn a lot more.

I've read a few of his books, and I couldn't figure out why he's so big.

Anyone care to explain what I'm missing?

Is there really a false dichotomy drawn between Fitzgerald and Hemingway? Both are demonstrably brilliant at their best. 'The Sun Also Rises' is a solid, eminently readable accomplishment in plot construction.

Can you tell me some interesting facts about Ernest Hemingway? Something like what he was doing when he was younger, his adventures etc

What's so great about reading?

I just finished reading Hemingway's 'The Sun Also Rises', only the second of his novels that I've read, and I was massively surprised by it. Given his reputation - both as a paragon of 'masculine' fiction and as a significant prose stylist - I couldn't quite believe that the novel amounted to Henry James with bullfighting.

I read a lot of American fiction, but I've always been pretty neglectful of ol' Ernest. Would anyone care to defend the book? Or, if there are any proponents of his, could you give me an idea of how it stacks up against the rest of his work?

The other one I've read is 'A Farewell to Arms', if that helps at all.

>>3899918
>There's no such thing as an earnest suicide attempt
U wot m8.

Which author has the best book titles? Pic related; The Sun Also Rises, A Farewell To Arms, For Whom The Bell Tolls, etc.

"Found: Burqa in the men's room"

GUYS! You have to listen to this! It's a radio account of Hemingway getting into a brawl with a critic who lampooned him in a paper.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4WFoekRVgp8&t=24m21s

Hahah, this guys voice kills me.

was he bourgeois scum?