/lit/ - Literature

>>20492045
No worries. If you have any other questions later don't be afraid to make another thread.

>>19181565
>Hobbes maintained his intellectual and physical powers to the very end. His health was poor in his youth, but improved in middle life. He wrote his autobiography at eighty-four, and when eighty-six translated Homer. In person he is described as over six feet in height, erect, keen-eyed, with black hair. He had a contempt for physicians, was regular in his dietary and other habits; used tobacco, and states gravely that during his long life he calculated he had been drunk one hundred times. After he was sixty he took no wine. At seventy-five he played tennis. Intellectually audacious, he had personal timidity; charges of time-serving made against him have not been substantiated, however, as even so harsh a critic as Cunningham confesses. That Hobbes was a man of marked social attraction can be inferred easily. His friendships with Descartes, Bacon, Lord Herbert, Ben Jonson, and many other typical great men of his day, indicate it, and there was much in his experience to develop that side of his character.

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Yes his argument is timeless. Everyone will be referencing him and you only have to read, like, half the book (books I and II, skip III and IV). The more time goes on, the more prescient you realise Hobbes was to all modern political problems. His argument isn't so much dismissed as his conclusion.

>>18382822
Aye

>Solitary, poor, nasty, brutish, and short
haha didn't know Hobbes was describing OP

Hobbes was 63 when he published Leviathan

>>17267805
I read all of Schmitt's major works earlier this year. I'd definitely recommend reading The Concept of the Political First. Or more specifically, start with the essay at the back of that edition you have, "The Age of Neutralizations and Depoliticizations". I believe that essay is the simplest introduction to Schmitt's thought, plus it's pretty fascinating for historical reasons (the mentality of a German intellectual terrified by the USSR, on the eve of the ascendency of the Nazis).

>>17268339
Political theology is a weird work. Most of it is legal exegesis about Article 48 of the Weimar constitution, which concerned emergency powers (essentially giving the ability to suspend the normal rule of law). The first line, "Sovereign is he who decides on the exception," is very famous, and is in general a great maxim for understanding politics. Books 2 and 3 are pretty uninteresting, in my opinion, but book 4 is cool. It contains an interesting reading of Donoso Cortes (among others), a reactionary Spanish lawyer and philosopher from the early 19th century. Cortes was very influential on Schmitt and helped provide the basis for Schmitt's critique of liberalism, but still that final part of Political Theology isn't particularly essential to understanding Schmitt. So I reiterate, start with the Concept of the Political.

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>>16393969
>If you just obeyed the church
You haven't read enough Hobbes if you think he supports that.

Realism is a loose term, but if you want some figures who are broadly similar
>Political Testament - Richelieu
>The Rise and Fall of the Elites - Pareto
>The Ruling Class - Mosca
>The Power Elite - Mills
>The Concept of the Political - Schmitt
>Political Theology - Schmitt
>The Revolt of the Masses - Gasset
And some non-western thinkers
>The Guanzi - various
>The Book of Lord Shang - Shang Yang
>The Hanfeizi - Han Fei
>The Arthashara - Kautilya
If you mean Realism In the IR sense:
>The twenty-years crisis - Carr
>Politics among Nations - Morgenthau
>A Theory of International Politics - Waltz
>The Tragedy of Great Power Politics - Mearsheimer
There are probably some I'm forgetting.
Also
>lens
Eww.

Rousseau wont lay down his weapon for peace because he understands the dangers of society on natural man. And if Rousseau doesn't, neither will Leviathan. Hence throwing them into the warre of all against all where everyone has a right to everything, and in self-preservation, will fight ceaselessly.

>>16133061
Why would you expect a random person to know or have read Carl Schmitt? Be happy that you could even talk about Hobbes.

>>16127808
There are a few works from political and social philosophy i can think of that might fit that description. I wont say that all are of the same quality, but they do touch on this idea of teleological history. Economy and Society is difficult to recommend for this speciif purpose due to the nature of the work, but i think the content is there if you connect the dots (and it's an amazing work regardless). Also due to the time of writing some have obvious restraints on their historical purview, or may be of interest for highlighting specific ideological interpretations.
>The New Science - Vico
>An Essay on the History of Civil Society - Ferguson
>Outlines of an Historical View of the Progress of the Human Mind - Condorcet (liberal philosophy of history)
>Idea for a Universal History with a Cosmopolitan Purpose - Kant (kinda)
>Lectures on the Philosophy of History - Hegel
>1844 Manuscripts + Part I of The German Ideology - Marx (Marxist philosophy of history)
>Economy and Society - Weber
>The Myth of the Twentieth Century - Rosenberg (Nazi philosophy of history)
>The End of History - Fukuyama (Neoliberal philosophy of history)

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>>13636473
I would usually be the first to shill Cambridge history of political thought editions, but the Leviathan one (which i own) is nothing special. You would get the same out of the penguin edition (which i also own), sans some of the front and back matter (introduction, further reading, chronology, index, concordance). Of course, the quality of the book is better, but there is nothing in the text itself which is special (i.e. footnotes, end notes, etc). From my brief perusal of different editions on libgen, the Hackett edition seems good for in-text explanatory/contextual footnotes (if you like that sort of thing, i know some don't). Basically, if you just want the text, then find the cheapest edition which still keeps Hobbes' little margin headers.

>>13616064
I'm noticing a trend where every time someone makes a point, you handwave it with unquantifiable/annecdotal conjecture to protect your worldview.

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This boarde, withe no moderation, exists in a state of nature; whereby, it is a warre of everyman against everyman; Frogge and Wojake are the two cardinal vitrues of this state; there being is no soveraign to keep all in awe; such the despoticall passions rulle, and even good men must take the likenesse of evill, to secure there bodies againste privation and misery. And Covenants, without the sword, are but words, and of no strength to secure man at all.

>>13225277
In the good old days, as today, the people who most matter, the people I most want to associate with, read from the canon.
Universal literacy is silly, and has led to little if any improvement of human society...