/lit/ - Literature

>he presented an argument for giving vernacular the same dignity and legitimacy Latin was typically given. Finally, Dante wrote this essay in order to analyse the origin and the philosophy of the vernacular, because, in his opinion, this language was not something static, but something that evolves and needed a historical contextualisation.

based or cringe?

what you're currently reading, what's next up, last song you listened to, and the last TV show you watched

The Recognitions by William Gaddis
The Divine Comedy by Dante Alighieri

Long Black Veil by The Band

Bojack Horseman

>sends chads and roasties to hell using fanfics
Was he ahead of his time?

>>11981575
Artists always used to believe their work had spiritual value.

Alright guys post your shit,
remember to use a meter
don't be a cheater!

Do you guys want to do poetry/research book club and look for motifs to steal?

This is kind of a decentralized thing we have going on here so if anybody has any suggestions that'd be great.

The central idea is sincere and honest critique and try to impress with every poem you post.

>>11766308

All literature is political. Dante wrote about his political enemies that fucked him over. White males in general have been writing for centuries about people who fucked them over. Why should there be a different set of rules for women and minorities?

>>10656443
>looking down on the Oral arts

Maximum pleb

Was Dante handsome?

So I've been reading the Divine Comedy, Ciardi's translation, and I've been finding it tedious and hard to read (I'm already at the Paradiso nonetheless). It seems so unpoetic. Then I decided to just glance at the original and since I know Spanish I actually understood quite a lot of the first canto. Then I realized the Ciardi translation is shit and it's so much funner to read in the original language (lots of meaning is sacrificed to make it "seem" like Dante's) and it's hyper poetic and beautiful. Translations suck. I'm very much considering actually learning Italian for this.

That said, I never thought the ideas behind the Commedia were boring, just the delivery which is all the fault of the translation.

Next time you think some non-English writer is boring and tedious, just think it might be the translation and maybe the writer is fucking fantastic.

Learn other languages, anons. Set yourselves free from unimaginative translators.

Want to get into the Divine Comedy. which translator should i read from?

>Read Paradise Lost
>Blown away, rapturous aesthetic and meaning. Feel dopamine kicks firing from every passage in awe
>"Oh anon, just wait until Dante, he's literally the best poet ever"
>Do all the pre-reading, Vita Nuevo, theological writing, Florentine politics
>Start Inferno
>Terse, bland verse (I have three translations, Italian version and hundreds of annotations)
>Sloppy insertion of his contemporary figures and greek myth
>Comes across as interesting fan-fiction, and he wrote it in "Italian" instead of Latin so it was probably the equivalent of a marvel movie for the masses
I guess Anglos win again huh.

He wrote some pretty good fan-fiction, compact, terse verse. Somewhat enjoyable, but why he is considered so great? Of the epic poets he is certainly the least, and every other made an impression through translation so I don't want to hear it, Longfellow version by the way. Halfway through Inferno and very disappointed

>>9975706
Mamma mia! He can't into numerologia!

What can /lit/ tell me about this faggot? Is he a meme or what? What are the essential Dante works?

>>9751865
>>scot-free

Anglos BTFO.

Is it easy to read La Divina commedia se l'italiano non è la sua lingua materna?

>Dante's courtly love for Beatrice continued for nine years, before the pair finally met again. This meeting occurred in a street of Florence, which she walked along dressed in white and accompanied by two older women. She turned and greeted him, her salutation filling him with such joy that he retreated to his room to think about her. In doing so, he fell asleep, and had a dream which would become the subject of the first sonnet in La Vita Nuova.

one of ours

Is there such a website? Preferably from many different publishers.

literature is objectively the most mediocre form of art. This comes from someone highly trained in music, literature and philosophy. The greatest moments of music are much more emotional and profound than the most "sublime" moments in literature, objectively speaking. If you disagree, you have not experienced the greatest moments of music and literature. Music can create a much more sustained and intense emotional response in people. In this way, the emotional aspect of literature is always mediocre compared to that of music. Literature tries to make up for this with ideas, which end up being pseudo-philosophical and shallow compared to those of true philosophy. One might say that Literature tries to emphasize subjective ideas and thoughts to express a vague but relatable notion of the human experience instead of trying to approach actual truth about humanity, opting to try to create characters or stories that audiences can connect with rather than an actual analysis, and that thus its ideas have a different purpose from those of philosophy. However, this again emphasizes the emotional aspect of literature, which, as mentioned previously, pales in comparison to tht of music. A counter argument to this might be that literature creates different emotions from music, creating a dialogue between the reader and writer, and that it is this emotional connection that makes literature just as valuable as music. While, granted, the dialogue between reader and writer is often emotionally fulfilling and gratifying for the lonely, and is not quite propagated in any other art form to the extent it is in literature, the emotional intensity and profundity of this dialogue simply does not compare to the emotional intensity and profundity in the best moments of the greatest music. The fact that literature has its own unique effect does not make it equal to music, as the effect in question simply does not compare to those of the greatest music. Thus, literature at its best, pales in its emotional capacity in comparison to music, and in its intellectual capacity in comparison to philosophy. Literature has the unique and valuable effect of allowing readers to relate to and connect to a story, but the fact that this effect is unique does not make it equal, and, ultimately, the effects of literature are ultimately trivial when compared to those of music and philosophy.

How do I learn Dante's Italian?

What must it have been like writing The Comedy? I can't even comprehend the profundity of the experience. It must have been as if he were literally walking with God. How can a person like this possibly exist? There are some truly divine people in our history, more magical than anything we could dream of, fellas. Art is fucking amazing, holy shit.