/lit/ - Literature

>>22668632
Just read stoicism, people over dramatise how bad it is. I read meditations when I was 13 and it was fine, I’ve re read it maybe 5 times, it’s a fairly basic practical philosophy that touches on some deeper themes. Sure it’s not Nietzsche but it’s fine for what it is.

It won’t turn you into a tranny, it won’t turn you into a cuck or anything else, it will just give you some solid life advice on how to get out of bed in the morning.

Opinions on this crippled motherfucker?

>>22092077
Seneca is good but Epictetus is better.

They might not be the best, but they aren't the worst either.

Of course it’s known you can’t be certain of anything outside your mind nor even within your mind but if you make a definition and attach that definition to a thing doesn’t that mean you can at least be certain what that thing is? Syllogisms and Kants analytical judgements? Of course this is useless practically but still

I am mostly interested in stoic and buddhist literature. Literary works will compliment this interest?

For me it's epictetus

Did anyone ever make a religion in a piece of fiction that wasn’t extremely derivative of something that already existed and was actually fleshed out? With common rituals and rites and such?

Why has philosophy become completely stagnant in the 21st century(no new ideas in the 21st century)? Has all the ideas already been done? Or is it to early to tell? This century is only 22 years old after all…. Maybe we shouldn’t be judging the age we’re in so quickly….

Epic-titties.

I still don't understand what is in our control, probably due to the translation. He says that "in a word, whatever is our actions" but previously meantions things that are in our control which are not actions "desire, aversion" for example. What was the actual point we was trying to make?

>but Epictetus, life is too hard!
>Then hang yourself, slave
It's just that easy. Stop bitching.

Is Stoicism just watered down Buddhism for the west?

Just tell 'em virtue is the only good and that they shouldn't be focusing on externals which are not under their control.

Did Epictetus believe in an afterlife? He talks a lot about becoming a friend of God, and even becoming a God like Diogenes by rejecting even what is offered to you.

Stoic philosophy seems very focused on the self; what philosophy talks about working with others? If I'm in a group project Stoicism prepares me to say "my lot is to perform this task, and thus I shall", but what prepares me to negotiate tasks with my group?

maybe more /philosophy/ related but

It holds that if you are not male model looking you will never get genuinely attractive girls genuinely horny about you

This raises the question; Why live?

>To comprehend the whole world together in thy mind, and the whole course of this present age to represent it unto thyself, and to fix thy thoughts upon the sudden change of every particular object. How short the time is from the generation of anything, unto the dissolution of the same; but how immense and infinite both that which was before the generation, and that which after the generation of it shall be. All things that thou seest, will soon be perished, and they that see their corruptions, will soon vanish away themselves. He that dieth a hundred years old, and he that dieth young, shall come all to one.

- Marcus Aurelius

>When death appears as an evil, we ought immediately to remember that evils may be avoided, but death is necessity. For what can I do, or where can I fly from it?

>Where shall I fly from death? Show me the place; show me the people to whom I may have recourse, whom death doth not overtake. Show me the charm to avoid it If there be none, what would you have me do? I cannot escape death; but cannot I escape the dread of it ? Must I die trembling and lamenting? For the origin of the disease is wishing for something that is not obtained.

- Epictetus

Read the Moral Discourses of Epictetus.

Good and evil lie only in our choices. What is out of our control is neither good nor bad, but indifferent. Death is out of our control, therefore it is indifferent. Moreover, it is inevitable.

While what happens to us, such as illness and death, is out of our control, our reactions to those things are under our control. Is it ever enjoyable to be afraid, anxious or depressed? No. Is it ever even useful? No. You must die, but you don't have to die depressed. That at least is in your power.

>"For it is not death or pain that is to be feared; but the fear of pain or death."

>>8780474

Epictetus

What's the opposite of entertainment?
Is this some kind of 'pulp vs literature'
or
'movies vs films' etc kind of thing?

Epictetus 100%

sup lit, rec me some good books on stoicism pls
it'll be a birthday gift for a friend

So /lit/ is agreed that Epictetus was the greatest and most based of the philosophers, correct?

Plato, Diogenes and Epictetus