/lit/ - Literature

>>16424007
Not that guy but sexual relationships with both men and women were both par the course for a normal male. Quite ordinary for someone to have a male lover in their youth and to get married to a woman as a man.

>>16368668
>Not to mention the fagggotry and pederasty.
Judaized "Greek" rejecting the traditions of his ancestors. A shame to his country.

>>16142602
>Every non-Jewish culture in the world has strongly opposed homosexuality
Literally the opposite is the case.

>>16097488
>it inhibits male bonding, which is basis of civilization
Actually it enhances it, as long as the males involved are not infected with Semitic neuroses.

>>14884882
>Return to the origins of our culture.
I agree :)

Do the Straussians want to revive pagan sexuality?

>>13382056
What? I don't have anything against Christian and conservative scholars, much the contrary in fact. Many of the most important classicists and Hellenists have been political conservatives -- Allan Bloom, for instance, who was responsible for the definitive English translation of The Republic. The point I was making is that no one denies the homosexual practices of ancient Greece, nor the references made to them in Plato's literature. Random 4channers such as yourself are the revisionists.
>Absolutely false as explained above and is clearly contradicted in Laws and if you actually read ancient Greek, you would see that he did not endorse the practice ever.
Do you read ancient Greek? If so, you have an advantage over me, since I don't. But I feel secure in my opinion, given that no academic, scholar or commentator -- regardless of their politics, religion or moral orientation -- agrees with you. Long before any gay clique or left-wing revisionist pack could have infiltrated Western academia, the word pederasty had been used by European Christian civilisation as a loanword for any kind of homosexuality precisely because of the influence of ancient Greek texts.

>>13053524
The sharp distinction between philia and eros is how we know for sure that the Greeks meant sexual relations between males, because they use the word eros in reference to their love. For instance, the dialogue Lysis is about trying to come up with a definition for "philia", and contrasts the friendship between two boys with the romantic crush an older boy has on one of them (whom Socrates is trying to instruct on how to properly speak to a beloved, which starts the dialogue). Eros is the root for "erastes" and "eromenos", the two terms used for those in a pederastic relationship.

>>12748897
>Eros didn'timply sexual tension.
what? Eros was the word for the passionate and sexual form of love. Plato's dialogue 'Lysis' is all about what distinguishes 'eros' from 'philia', and as an example he uses an older boy who has and wants to read him a love poem, and contrasts it with the friendship of that boy and his best friend.
>Holy shit the retconning
What? Charmides is a dialogue on the theme of temperance. Socrates but not acting on it is an example of temperance. And how do you think it was retconned? In interpretation, or did people actually forge the text?
Here it is quoted, Donald Watt translation:
>In the event Charmides came and sat between me and Critias. Well, by then, my friend, I was in difficulties, and the self-assurance I'd felt earlier that I'd talk to him quite easily had been knocked out of me. Wen Critias told him I was the man who knew of the remedy, he gave me a look that is impossible to describe and made ready to ask me something. Everyone in the wrestling-school swarmed all around us. That was the moment, my noble friend, when I saw what was inside his cloak. I was on fire, I lost my head, and I considered Cydias to be the wisest man in the matters of love. When speaking of a handsome boy, he said, by way of advice to someone, 'Take care not to go as a fawn into the presence of a lion and be snatched as a portion of meat. I felt I'd been caught by just such a creature. All the same, when Charmides asked me whether I knew the remedy for his headaches, I somehow managed to answer that I did.
And just in case you think this is just a matter of translation, here scene as rendered by by Jowett, who was a Christian who didn't believe that Plato promoted homosexuality:
>O rare! I caught a sight of the inwards of his garment, and took the flame. Then I could no longer contain myself. I thought how well Cydias understood the nature of love, when, in speaking of a fair youth, he warns some one "not to bring the fawn in the sight of the lion to be devoured by him," for I felt that I had been overcome by a sort of wild-beast appetite. But I controlled myself, and when he asked me if I knew the cure of the headache, I answered, but with an effort, that I did know.

Note that there is a difference between arguing about whether we can say the modern day "homosexual" represents the same phenomena as the Greek "lover", and whether or not the Greeks partook in male-male sexual activity, the latter of which seems to be what OP is contesting.

>>11937166
Heterosexual cope.