/lit/ - Literature

>And but so a screaming comes across the porch, from the stairhead, Tommy bearing a bowl of lather on which a pinecone and a toy rocket lay crossed—he sits on the steps surrounded by heads and bodies of characters never to be created, Wallace having quit and thrown himself upon his belt, ha-ha o my, Tommy thinx, don't throw rocks at the thrown, ha-ha.

>>15648560
All right, thanks.
Have a good one, friend.

>>15489448
I feel the same way, which is why I barely come here anymore. When I do, I get tired after reading a couple of threads. I know it's the cliché, "it was good back in the day", but it's actually the case.
When I started lurking this place there were so many great threads about the meme trilogy, unfortunately at that time I hadn't read any of the books, so I'd just read the thread, very excited to read each of those books. Years later, I've read them, Ulysses multiple times, GR twice, and I come here, and maybe there is one person in a whole thread about Ulysses that has actually read it, or tried to read it.
As you said, no one is forced to read and like anything, but these morons, they haven't even tried, because before even touching the book they had a prejudice and a insecurity so strong, instead of honestly giving it a go, they'd rather just pretend they tried so they can say it's absolute trash, empty, pseud-intellectual book, and find other morons with the same """opinion""", so they can agree and feel better about it, they actually want to believe the book is meaningless.
This place was amazing. I used to read a lot before getting to know /lit/, but only shit books. A while after I started lurking, I decided to read the divine comedy, at that time, I didn't even know who Homer or Virgil were, the progress I made, the books I got to read, in great part, were thanks to many great recomendations from anons. Again, as you said, there are still good posts, but they are scarce.
/rant
/blogpost

>>14465804
>>14465751
god, I'll break it for you, newfags.
Those 3 books are memes because of the following facts:
1. they are long as fuck
2. they are complex, and this, coupled with the first fact, will put off any weak-willed, pretentious retards seeking attention and/or approval in here
3. they represent /lit/ perfectly. GR has drugs, degeneracy like scat, sex, autism; IJ has drugs, addiction, autism, suicide; Ulysses has jokes, humor with jews, discussions about hamlet, cuckoldry...
4. they are all excellent books.
AND, FINALLY:
5. THEY ARE NOT FUCKING MEMES. THE MEME IS MEMEING ABOUT THE BOOKS BEING MEMES, SO RETARDS LIKE YOU START READING AND GIVE UP ON PAGE 20, BECAUSE YOUR LACK OF READING EXPERIENCE AND OPEN MINDEDNESS TO APPRECIATE THOSE BOOKS, COUPLED WITH THE FACT YOU READ ON /lit/ THEY WERE MEMES, MAKES YOU ACTUALLY BELIEVE THEY ARE MEMES, WHEN IN FACT, YOU ARE BEING BAMBOOZLED.
True /lit/izens that say those books are memes have read them, and likely really enjoyed them, while the retarded "/lit/ards" are the ones that think those books are incomprehensible and pseud, and likely have not even tried reading them honestly.

>>14465882
did you even read the entire post?
>right, because the ones that like those books either gave up or left.

every chan was always a "secret club", every meme in every board is exit-level stuff, the memes are, on purpose, things that retarded newfags won't be able to appreciate. It's the essence of ANY and EVERY chan.

I don't have a formal list, but I have a bunch of works I want to read.
Some of them:
>Schoenberg's Harmony
>The Koran
>The Bible, for the second time
>Baudelaire's Les Fleurs du mal
>Finnegans Wake, for the second time
>Campbell's Key to Finnegans Wake
>Bely's Petersburg
>Spinoza's Ethics
>main works of Leibniz, Locke, Berkeley and Hume
I'd like to read Kant but I have no idea if I'll manage in 2020. Besides the ones I've mentioned above, there are still books in my shelves I've been putting aside for a long while, books like Karamazov Brothers, Crime and Punishment, Mason & Dixon, The Recognitions, 2666, Anna Karenina, War & Peace...

>>13434841
this.
Also, all the hate these 3 books get in this board, from the years I've been in this place, happens like this:
>guy sees these books posted quite often in here
>some people reply to these posts ironically, saying they are memes
>retarded kid gives it a go
>makes 20 pages into it
>drops it because it is "unreadable pretentious intellectual masturbation", although he wanted to be able to say he's read it
>he can't though, so to pretend he is fine with not reading it, he feels the need to say it's absolute dogshit and that they are unironically bad books and are posted in this board as jokes
>when in fact, the guys that said those books are memes, they have read it, and they have enjoyed it
I've seen this case too many times. How can I know this? It's not mandatory to like any books, but saying a book like Ulysses has no actual merit in regards to literature is absolute retardation and only shows one has not read it, just like saying it is unreadable. With chapters like Telemachus and Nausicaa, if you say it's unreadable it is absolute clear you haven't made past page 5.

>>11948909
both based but two different beasts, impossible to choose.

>>11921919
well, I can't say you won't enjoy other of his works based on lot 49, although I really liked it, it lacks on good humor, fun and playfullness compared to V. and GR. I'd suggest you try V., if that doesn't do it for you, give up on tom.

>>11921885
what are some other books like this (aside from other Pynchon eg M&D, AtD...)?
>become 'paranoid' as they read it
I read V. > Lot 49 and currently on the last 130 pages of GR and I'm afraid of running out good paranoia-feeling books.

V. & Gravity's Rainbow & Ulysses

>>10436864
Discuss? What was confusing?

You were entertained, wow. You(!) think it's INCREDIBLY well written—woah. Even though it's merely a debut novel!

How are your favorite parts the worst parts? What'd you think of Mondaugen's Story?

Did you pick up on how "Profane" comes from "profanum" meaning "outside the temple"—the character who is counterpoint to Stencil? Stencil being the man who projects through the stencil or "temple" of historical documents... psychically trapped in the past...

Also, Punch-in himself stencilizes the Baedekers for the Stencil sections... Weird right?

>>9931076
He has a very similar issue as DFW. All the symbols are empty and clang annoyingly—which is what happens when you fake it.

In fact, the difference is simply the mysticism that lives in Pyncho-Joycean symbols—which Beckett & DFW's boring automata don't have.

>>9931071
No reason not to read Beckett if you've run out of quality things to read or need to see this gar—I mean Krapp for yourself.

>>9469875
Endless Fun is a great example of clean writing, Mrs Yes is the peak of literature, & V2 is, ha-ha, woah, one long ass poem about sex & death that's almost as good as Jimmy Augustine Aloysius Joyce.

A quick rundown:

And but so a screaming comes across the porch, from the stairhead, Tommy bearing a bowl of lather on which a pinecone and a toy rocket lay crossed—he sits on the steps surrounded by heads and bodies of characters never to be created, Wallace having quit and thrown himself upon his belt, ha-ha o my, Tommy thinx, don't throw rocks at the thrown, ha-ha.

>>8801277
Endless Fun is training wheels, V2 is 2 tabs of acid, and Mrs Yes is the face of God.

The Son, the Father, and the Holy Ghost.

>>8338597
Pinecone is totally my boi, but Pierre Boulle has a much better military record.

Also, not trying to stomp on your shit or anything; just sharing a funny pic. We all know Joyce hide behind Hemingway when it came to fights, so it wouldn't be a contest anyway.

>>7869531