/lit/ - Literature

- There was a city that was in the same location as Homer described that fits the description perfectly
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=whgnlo-C7mM

- The city was destroyed several times before the poem was written and at roughly the time many argue the poem seems to takes place. First by earthquake, next by human beings. They have found evidence of arrows, spears, fire, etc:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EpHlN6U3JJ4&t=1m20s

- It was extremely common on the coastline at the time for people roaming the seas in large groups to sack cities
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Late_Bronze_Age_collapse#/media/File:Bronze_Age_End.svg
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q9jqwLYeVtk
(This is an written witness account of one such attack):
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q9jqwLYeVtk&t=5m00s

- There are Hittite records that suggest some of the Greeks at the time were powerful, active in the area where Troy would have been at the time:
https://greekreporter.com/2023/08/22/ancient-hittite-records-prove-trojan-war-happened/

- There is archeological evidence from Egypt that some Greeks might have even been sailing the with the sea people in the Mediterranean during this time period
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bRcu-ysocX4&t=724s

- There is nothing the requires gods or men who can lift tremendous boulders, heroes or magic for there to have been some war that was noted by the Greeks. The Greeks sacking a city at this location would be pretty unremarkable event for the location and time.

It seems a massive stretch that Homer coincidentally imagined a city being sacked at this exact location described in the Iliad without him being told anything about it. It's not concrete evidence that a war happened and the tale of it was passed to him, but I see absolutely nothing remarkable about this being a possibility. In fact, I think the evidence leans more in favor of this being the case than it being a massive coincidence.

As this anon points out >>22685978 a "wooden horse" could have been a boat with a horse-head protome. I don't think this is true because these were from a later time period and more to do with phoenicians and the story just seems so unlikely that they dragged in the horse boat without investigating it. It is possible.

My head canon is that the Greeks arrived, the kings son was the one basically in charge of the city and military, they fought and eventually he was challenged by the best Greek fighter and lost the fight and his half-dead body was dragged in front of the city until the king opened the gate to try to save his son which allowed them to sack the city. This 'trick' that allowed them to sack the city was noted and it eventually became the story of the Iliad.

Then again, maybe it was just a coincidence and Homer had no idea that anything happened in the area of Troy when he wrote his poem. There's still ongoing excavations at Troy to this day so we may know the answer in our lifetime.

>>22677683
>Does the homunculus argument apply to representationalism?
I feel like this confuses spatial recursion with temporal representations. Schopenhauer was writing more about temporal representations, re-presentations, memories..the homunculus argument is more spatially oriented, a thought experiment that reminds me of Zeno's paradoxes in that they illustrate the problems with mixing reason with half-baked empirical and phenomenal ideas. You end up with fantastical obviously wrong theories that seem like episodes of Black Mirror or Twilight Zone. The buck obviously stops at the material world, it is us, we are made up of it. It is watching itself fragmentally and in a strikingly limited dream-like way through us. As far as I can ascertain, there is no infinite regression of increasingly tiny men watching through the parent body via a screen in the eyes or anything analogous to that.
> e.g. If we observe the world and form a representation in our minds, and then we observe our observations to form a representation of a representation, etc., does this have the potential to go on to infinity?
Those would be temporal representations and they go on for as long as you have memories. Perhaps the universe is infinite, if that's true I guess, theoretically, representations could be infinite but because we are, I assume, discussing people as we now define them, the answer would be 'no' since eventually the human body is destroyed along with it's representations.
> Or does it end somewhere?
The representations would end, I assume, with the individual in questions death.