/lit/ - Literature

>>20745899
That wasn't me.
I was working when >>20745503 was posted.
Do you even have a job?
>>20746294
"The Mystery Of The Real Live Dead Person" isn't dark or edgy; it's a ludicrous mystery.

>>20693518
Never said I was some sort of pure capitalist.
I reject the binary approach to politics.
I also reject the one-dimensional axis (i.e. left vs right).
Politics, like everything else in the real world, is a multidimensional spectrum with feedback.
Ideology itself is an admission of intellectual failure.
It's too bad most people are half-witted cattle, racing to be first to the slaughterhouse, and stampeding me along with them.

p.1: flare -> flair
p.2: aren't selkies seal-people, not fish-people?
p.3, et. al.: heluva -> helluva
p.5: my bar bodily fluids -> my bar with bodily fluids
p. 8: so are the selkie, and Boozie, the only ones in the bar? seems like the barkeep would have to take drink orders from others.
p. 25: anymore thinking -> any more thinking ("anymore" refers to time)
p. 27: I'm far too tired -> I was far too tired (tense error)
p. 28: play my roll -> play my role
p. 38: wazsh -> was?
You have a fair number of comma splices, sentence fragments, and punctuation errors.
I have to stop reading; I need to crash.

But so far, I really like this story! I find it gripping! Such a nice change of pace from the monuments to boredom I usually find here.

>>20369492
>>20369516
Boys, boys...play nice now.

>Vergil
one of the most terrible pendants and bores that Antiquity ever produced. Nothing but vast quantities of cold and sententious verses filled with puppets declaiming in unnatural, contrived dialogues. His hexameters with their tinny, hollow ring artificially strung together in order to meet the requirements of pedantic and sterile prosody.
>Horace
insufferable bungler who writes nothing but off colored stories worthy of a senescent, white plastered clown
>Cicero
The arrogance of his apostrophes, the wordiness of his appeals to patriotism, the bombast of his harangues, the ponderous density of his style, the insupportable mediocrity of his long introductory adverbs all contribute to the most long winded bag of shit from Rome.
>Caesar
although famed for his succinctness, it nevertheless comes at a great cost: a martinet's aridity, a sterile log-book style
>Tacitus
The only Roman writer, who in his calculated concision is the most virile, the most biting, the most vigorous, worth reading.

>>18320051
Why Xenophon must be replaced with Homer for beginner students.

The Romans used to do exactly this when teaching their schoolboys Greek. Quintilian himself praised this method and Goethe shilled this method as well.


Textbooks neeeded (3)

1) one that introduces Homeric grammar plus exercises
2) one that shows the differences between this and Attic Greek
3) a reader that introduces the student to simple plays by Euripides and Plato's dialogues

Why Homer over Xenophon

1) Homer's literary quality is higher
2) captures the students' attention
3) Attic Greek is not the pinnacle
4) Starting from the beginning allows the student to develop his knowledge of the language chronologically, more smoothly
4) Homer's grammar and syntax is easier than Attic, less forms to memorize
>83 Homeric Forms vs 106 Attic forms
>most are so rare that they should just be ignored
>if you eliminate these rare ones, 53 Homeric forms vs 78 Attic forms
>here we can see that 50% more forms need to be memorized to read the first 4 books of Anabasis than the first 6 of the Iliad
5) most textbooks rely on making references to Homeric Greek anyway in order to teach Attic Greek
6) there are more grammatical irregularities in Attic than Homeric
7) Homeric syntax is easier than Xenophon's (no winding sentences)
8) experiments have shown that new students acquire the language better via Homer than Xenophon
9) Homeric vocabulary is not as large as Xenophon and allows the student to read the Homeric hymns w/o much trouble
>Both the Iliad and the Odyssey used 1,965 words once
>266 in books 1 - 6 of the Illiad
>Xenophon has 3,021
>433 in Anabasis
10) Since acquiring vocab is of great importance, Homer's words allow the student to begin with the most fundamental meanings upon which he may build his treasure of words.
11) Since Xenophon didn't actually live in Athens, he lived mostly abroad, he was far removed from Attic refinement and how they used words (i.e. would use words differently than Athenians). Thus, his writings are a bad way to learn this dialect
12) Other Greek writers share more words with Homer than with Xenophon.
>Greek dramatists, Hesiod, elegiac poets
>However Prose writers like Thucydides, Demosthenes, Lysias etc share more w/ Xenophon
>Xenophon is better for those who want to read orators and the New Testament, but the advantage is slight
13) Students who wish to read silver age or Medieval Latin will do better if they can read
Cicero, Caesar, Virgil etc. Students who wish to study romance languages in depth would fare better if they start with Latin. Hence, students of Greek should start at the beginning.
14) Homer will keep the student interested to continue thereby making grammar drills not
seem as useless drudgery.
15) Homer interests both the man and the child (children aged 9-14 have proven this via experiments)
16) other languages aren't taught with two dialects, therefore Greek should focus on one.

>>18190251
Thank you for actually staying on topic but I already read it, in the original.

>tfw double majored in french and the classics
>tfw the most contemporary thing we had to study was Proust

>>17389905
https://lrc.la.utexas.edu/eieol/engol

On the other hand, a wise professor told me to read Chaucer in the original with scarce use of the dictionary everyday and then move on to Beowulf in the same fashion to acquire the language via input. Good luck.

>>16344514
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nHd3xfDzTg8

/lit/ btfo. they cannot recover.

>>16067547
I'm already a Renaissance man, I browse like 15 different boards and can shitpost with the best.