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>Then the only non-delusional government is 100% fascism? I thought we were using this word as a pole of a spectrum.
Form =/= way, I meant that all anarchic ideal societies are impossible. Not that the allowance for any form of independent individual action was.
>You can't sincerely argue for a moral ideal while also arguing for a power structure that would bring about the opposite result.
I mean, I see what you mean, but if you take into account that absolute anarchy would lead to micro-states of tyrant gangs with the wild west in-between and pockets of nice people; then one can see that passive force (aka police presence, or fear of later punishment) has to be present to deter the obstruction of personal freedoms (which are anarchic); thus one allows for the realization of X liberties (if it can't be realized you don't have it) by denying the liberty to 100% do as you will. So you 'need' "fascist" elements to prevent other fascismS (which absolute anarchy/plurality would lead to).
That's the second dimension, which would also be a square but not authority axis a economy axis, rather a Duty vs Liberty axis, that should also would take into account sociological psychology (perhaps triangle within the square), where there's grey areas of theoretical "hasn't been tried: is unlikely to work/likely to work" (outside triangle) vs "has been tried: sort of works/works adequately" (inside triangle).
Economical left/right is a false dichotomy, the same question is far larger than money;
>should we allow taking X from others to give X to others?
>do we have the duty to give what we have, X, to others in greater need than ourselves?,
These are in truth the same question, also merely the other side of the coin of:
>Must I protect others from others?
>Is it okay to take X from Y if I can?
It's all a question of the degree that we should allow oureselves to take and give to others.
Make duty the focus again.

Because everyone was a pseudo-rousseaun and thought it would work, since it literally hadn't been tried.

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