/lit/ - Literature

>>15274675
>No they are not, they actually exist. It's like saying God exists because I envision him in my head and "he's surely gonna arrive upon this earth in the Rapture!" Children envisioned by their parents, just like God, are not guaranteed to arrive upon this earth. They could be miscarried. They could be twins, triplets, or more. Point is, their "envisioning" is unimportant. It's like envisioning someone beyond the grave, telling you what to do and what not to do.
Sure I agree. My initial point is it that it is still you who decides not them, even when they are non existent.
>Would I torture you? No, because he is a human being.
So you agree it is immoral to cause needless suffering. Just like having children is needless and will cause them suffering.
>Does this mean a great number of children are unwanted? If they are wanted, does this justify having them?
No it doesn't. You just went on abou how there is a innate human drive to have kids and I countered that it is mainly sex drive. You have to think back to the other posts
>Because people want to live their shallow lives in the company of Sonic and bing bing wahoo instead of a child. It's too hard to have a child and humanity is deteriorating into effete affluence.
So your kids have to have kids too for this arbitrary "meaningful existence" thing. So it is a endless ponzy scheme.
So it is just arbitrary ramble at this point then... There are many people who are considered meaningful that never had kids.
How do you get to decide what is shallow
>but there is that underlying reason.
And I don't care about that reason, it is licking natures boots. I care about suffering.
What actually concerns you me and everyone itt.
>But you don't believe it is right to impose yourself onto other entities, which is the notion that undergirds your anti-natalism. Therefore, it would be wrong to believe in killing children if you had them. It is they who should take their life into their own hands and kill themselves.
And there are many antinatalists who consider it wrong to kys as it causes suffering. It doesn't matter who you kill.
>Then what's to stop me from reproducing? Should I not reproduce just to get a pat on back and a trophy at the end of the day? If I don't care about the suffering my child will cause me, then there's not even a punishment for reproducing. There's no tribunal of anti-natalists, no natalist jail or hell.
Because I believe it is morally the right thing to do. I don't eat meat either and I get no real pats on back too beside my own
>So you ARE allowed to cause people to suffer?
If they enjoy it ;)