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Not my problem

>>21686674
>Why would you object to flaying children alive if that's God's will?
Moral intuitions ought to count for something, especially at large scale. We were given God via a game of very human telephone.

Even believers should accept at minimum a small percentage chance that while God is real, that we don't actually know much about him as a person and his power at an object level, and therefore it's quite possible that a god could've lied about what the good actually is if that god is actually evil or has desires separate from The Good we have not been told about that it is seeking to fulfill.

Were this the case, unless you only believe in your god out of rational self-interest, you should probably stop believing them - they're either deliberately misleading you, or you're being jerked around by a cosmic trickster for reasons you don't understand. The way we'd presumably catch this kind of fake god is if a god's definition of Good often or repeatedly violated our moral intuitions, and at least for me and hopefully others, I suspect it's a common feeling that anyone that wants children flayed alive for its own sake is violating our moral intuitions and would be evil.

It's also possible that even if God is real, humans mistransmitted a good god's message, and human biases and evils have snuck in, through some combination of false prophets, mistranslations, miscommunications, and "we chose the incorrect books to make canon".

Moral intuitions being violated should draw us towards examples of this happening as likely areas for mistake, or reasons to recognize a faith as untrustworthy. Any text or faith that advocates for flaying children alive that someone claims they got from a god would for me immediately cause me to suspect an unreliable narrator and text we should probably ignore and exclude.

God spent his whole life fighting the devil and the devil doesn't even exist

God must have created the world because a God who doesn't create anything, doesn't create Himself so cannot exist. Therefore, there must be a God who exists who created Himself and by extension, the World. This is a simple necessity of language.

I don't believe in god because I can't see any evidence or experienced any sort of proof.

Why doesn't he just show up or send an angel down? that's literally all it'll take for me to believe in god. You really think I'm just going to hope and pray that some book and some documents is telling the truth? like really? Just show yourself you fucking faggot, you're liteally a god that has unlimited power, just say hello or something, like holy fuck.

God from the Bible.

>>19624550
The indulgent metaphysical universe served as a Byrd's dropped worm... quintessentially British

Everything that god wills is good. Everything that I agree with is god's will. Is this the basis of christian morality?

>>18655302
> one who in the cold security of undoubted triumph inflicts the most horrible revenge upon his enemy, not from any mistaken notion of inducing him to repent of a perseverance in enmity, but with the alleged design of exasperating him to deserve new torments

"I made him just and right,
Sufficient to have stood, though free to fall.
Such I created all th' Ethereal Powers
And Spirits, both them who stood and them who faild;
Freely they stood who stood, and fell who fell.
Not free, what proof could they have givn sincere
Of true allegiance, constant Faith or Love,
Where onely what they needs must do, appeard,
Not what they would? what praise could they receive?
What pleasure I from such obedience paid,
When Will and Reason (Reason also is choice)
Useless and vain, of freedom both despoild,
Made passive both, had servd necessitie,
Not mee. They therefore as to right belongd,
So were created, nor can justly accuse
Thir maker, or thir making, or thir Fate,
As if predestination over-rul'd
Thir will, dispos'd by absolute Decree
Or high foreknowledge; they themselves decreed
Thir own revolt, not I: if I foreknew,
Foreknowledge had no influence on their fault,
Which had no less prov'd certain unforeknown."

What accounts for God's character change between the Old Testament and the New Testament? Is there any good reason why God stops being, for lack of a better term, such a temperamental dick?

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