/lit/ - Literature

>>23071890
>Greeks had laws against them.

>>23063613
>The laws are clear, they understood butt fucking kids ruined their potential to be good citizens

>>22036793
wrong

>>22005843

>>21959194
>The word 'homosexual' is nowhere to be found in ancient writings
Sure. The relevant words are 'pederasty' (boy love), 'erastes' (lover), 'eromenos' (beloved), etc. Erastes is used for heterosexual lovers too.
>The ancient word the Greeks used for homosexuals is 'kinaidos'
Only passive homosexuals. In the entire Aristophanic corpus, no one is ever mocked for being attracted to males or fucking them, only for being fucked. Aristophanes himself defends pederasty in Plato's Symposium.
>Kata Timarchou
Aeschines is talking about men who prostitute themselves, not male love in general. He makes this clear:
>According to my definition, desire for those who are noble and decent is characteristic of the generous and discerning spirit, but debauchery based on hiring someone for money I consider characteristic of a wanton and uncultivated man. And to be loved without corruption I count as noble, to have been induced by money to prostitute oneself is shameful. (Against Timarchos 137)
Aeschines also says that he himself has had homosexual love affairs, says that Solon the lawgiver gave pederasty special status by permitting it to the free alone, and alleges that Homer intended Achilles and Patroclus to be read as erotic lovers.
>Plato's Laws
These aren't actual Greek laws. They are Plato's suggestions. Plato himself says in this text that outlawing homosexuality in the Greek peninsula will be quite a difficult endeavor, given its popularity. Plato also wanted to ban Homer, have children raised communally without knowing their father's identity, advocated equality of the sexes, etc. Not a Greek traditionalist.