/lit/ - Literature

>>8422688
It's slightly coincidental that you call him "schopie" because I do too. I guess it isn't that unique a nickname for him.

Even I've read very little by him but I have some grasp on why he was inclined to it. If you've read Siddhartha by herman hesse you'd understand why schopie would approve of it. The point of asceticism is not self denial but denial of the ego and denial of the chase that our "wants/needs" impose on us. A huge amount of sorrow, dejection and misery is borne from our constant, desperate, harrowing race to keep these wants satiated. Schopenhauer understood that this coupled with our ability for self awareness inflicted a huge amount of misery on us. An ascetic, disciplined and stoic lifestyle attempts to restore some sort of calm and peace with this struggle. Only when you "acquiesce" to life and to a minimal lifestyle will you have any shot at peace. Schopenhauer might assert that art can help you in this endeavor.


(Anyone: feel free to correct if I erred anywhere)

>>7910600

>camus was more concerned with standing in opposition to something than standing for something.
agreed. (in opposition to the absurd)

>I was raised in a...
I think I see your reasons better now. If you draw strength for the struggle to resist the absurd from a collective community then more power to you.

But wouldn't camus argue that culture/spirituality/traditions/sovereignty are a part of the absurd and therefore have no inherent meaning? I can justify using them to resist the absurd but that is the extent to which I am willing to let you justify them. no more.

therefore your arguments against modernity, postmodernity, globalization as rootless, cosmopolitan and feckless are groundless. culture/spirituality/tradition don't have any inherent value or meaning as opposed to the rest.

>cosmopolite feckless people ready to be swept aside in the cycle of history
implying your culture and traditions won't? lol.

>when you stand for nothing you effectively cease to exist
this is where you get jingoistic. You delude yourself into thinking that there MUST be something to stand for. and that it MUST only be culture/tradition/spirituality. that man can not exist in a perpetual struggle like sisyphus.


>his is my cock, it is part of who i am and I am guided by it as i guide it. It serves a higher purpose than myself, it is not purely for my own personal pleasure
wat. "it serves a higher purpose". no. it does not. at most it is a means to resist the absurd through gratification.

>>7910588
>sisyphus is all about trying to TRICK yourself if to be happy...
thank you. i felt something was wrong with his argument in favor of revolt but could not articulate it properly. i actually agree with you here because you sort of captured my sentiment. his call for revolt as the only "coherent philosophical position" is a bit unsatisfactory imo. he even acknowledges that "it is a futile revolt. YET you must do it. TRICK your own self."

I now see why you think of him as a coward senpai. thanks for clearing it out to me. i wonder whether i'd rather be a happy coward or a tortured hero.

>>7910798
>the absurd isn't a step by step deduction.
no it is not. but the consequences that he shows (revolt, passion and freedom), he claims to derive through deduction (logic). he explicitly states in sisyphus that he will begin by accepting that the world is absurd and from that attempt to deduce what the absurd world dictates and what he can derive from that.

>>7910638
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>>7910638
>>7910798

since you all seem to know a thing or two about absurdism, can I ask you all if you think camus leaps through this IS/OUGHT divide?

the word IS absurd and devoid of meaning therefore one OUGHT to attempt to find meaning in it through a futile struggle? please tell me if I'm grossly wrong here.

>>7872919
>>7872893

>i feel like I'm a shit person and not worthy of unconditional love, even from family members

I feel the same way. join the club. but that's why their love is unconditional. you being a shit degenerate doesn't factor into their affection for you. if it did, it would be pretty conditional anon.

sure there are parents who might say it to their children because they're obligated to. many probably even say it as a habit. but you can really tell when they mean it. and their actions almost always convey a fervent sense of affection and "worry" for a child. at least in my case it does. My parents can't bear the thought of me being in distress. I feel compelled to hide all my problems and sadness from them for this reason because I don't want them to feel bad for me and worry for me so much.


why do they have this? the reasons for "why" probably don't lie in any great cosmic truth or some godly fundamental principle of beauty.

The reasons why they care for you might be pretty basic or biological, or societal or cultural or simple the values they adopted while growing up. They might love you simply because they grew attached to you as most parents do as children grow up.

but that doesn't make it any less worthy of appreciation to me. just the existence of their affection and love is sufficient. the why is inconsequential here imo. your mother might love you because you came out of her vagina and grew up under her care but the fact that a person is willing to offer unconditional love at personal expense in such a short life alone is enough for me.

do you think they don't know about how short life is? through many conversations with my parents, I realized that they fully understand the consequences of their altruistic actions to me. the sacrifices they made. they weren't oblivious to what they were losing. tell me then, would not such unconditional love make you feel vulnerable? would it not evoke the same feeling of affection, gratitude and love from with you as well?

>>7766670
>>7766243
Thanks for the recommendation anon.
>St. Augustine
>Houellebecq
>Thomas Hardy

>Portrait of a Lady
>Middlemarch
>Proust
>Death in Venice
>Othello
>Clarissa
>Lewis Carroll's Alice books
>lifetime on clouds by murnane
>Catullus' Amatory poems and Ovid's Amores (only if I can read latin (might take quite a while)
>portnoy's complaint
>My twisted life -Eliot Rodger (At this point I can't tell whether all the anons recommending it are memeing or not)
>lolita (I've read it and I think it's beautifully written but I realized that Humbert's character and situation is quite different than mine. Sure he's frustrated to a point but that's where the similarities end. I would never be able to concoct the web of self validation and justification that he does to convince himself that what he is doing is okay)
>El Beso De La Mujer Araña (Kiss of The Spider Woman) by Manuel Puig
>Freud (I'm unsure about this one. I don't want to read anything specious and pseudo-scientific)


>>7767973
>>7768248

I knew a girl who was more than perfect in high school. I do not claim to know or understand what is love but if I was closest to anything like that, it was with that girl. She was my friend but In my eyes she was perfect to the point that I was terrified of her. I used to hide in classrooms and medical rooms feigning fever because I wanted to conceal how hideous and terrible I was compared to her. I used to avoid her and watch her talk to her other friends from a distance sometimes hoping that one day I'd be worthy of being with her.

Have you ever had that feeling anon? When aphrodite manifests herself in human form and you feel unworthy of being in her presence lest she see just how incomparably inferior you are? When I describe beauty, the first thing that comes to my mind is her her laugh. But school ended, she turned me down and went to a college in some other state and started seeing some other guy. I feel incapable of having that same affection and love for any girl since then. IT's been 4 years since I saw her and every woman I have come across has strictly been an object of sexual desire or indifference. I thought I would move on and get over my sexual frustration once I come across another girl who made me feel the same way but I haven't. 4 years anons and her smile is still etched into my head as perfectly as before.

But thinking about her motivates me to be a better person. Would I want to show my face to her today? If not then there is work to be done

At this point, I am afraid that I will never come across any other girl who makes me feel the same way. I am afraid that if I re-initiate contact with her then I will realize that even she is just as vapid, shallow and uninteresting as every other girl. It terrifies me that I will never feel the way my confused infatuated high school self felt. All I will feel is frustration until I become good enough through self improvement

Tell me anons Have you ever had such a girl in your life?