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>>13046233
>it’s immigration guys
That’s not even climate change crisis level yet

I vote we replace it all with democracy in the workplace and non accumulative currency

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If this topic interests you, you might also want to check out this book.
I’m not a fan of neoclassical economics and know the shortcomings of Keynesianism, so I’m eager for the only other solution, as I see it, that is, *not* money based capitalism.

In before sowell

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>>12984699
Whence cometh this UBI?

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>>12876979
It had to have happened. It was the result of the industrial revolution, and has its beginning in pre civil war New York.

>>12876970
No, we did not barter before there was money. We only bartered when all the ready cash was taken away by invading armies. Pre-bronze age we has a shared economy. But a voucher system, which needs computers, can work just fine. Book pictured

>>12877000
I care.

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>>12859685
Read

And/or Richard Wolff and David Harvey

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>>12801413
Read a book

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>>12793509
Non-accumulative labor vouchers.
Democracy in the workplace instead of medievalism

I am so sick of my bullshit job right now. I want to just read and write and be left to live my life

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my first economics book.
Its bias is the subject of how to make a socialist one work. Not propaganda for "free markets" not even dismantling the notion.

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I also like this here. They go into a lot, including how the USSR came so close to managing a real socialist economy,
Oh and avoid this edge-master and his Christian psycho-killers >>12629269

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>>12617012
Two devices. Got Jimmy Dore playing on the other.

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>>12557511
>once large population centers rose on the nile
>...The chiefs (proto-pharaoh) continued to share. Eventually making way for the elites entrusted with the advanced tools/weapons etc. and the shamans to get the bigger/choicest shares
In a world of plenty, an automated and socialist economy can be arranged so that everyone has that plenty, yes.

>>12557515
You are so myopic. Families and tribes shared. Elders and elites kept cohesion. When there was none, people were free to disband and start their own tribes. The fir adults would obviously take care of the children and elderly.

>>12557599
Psycho killer
What does it say?

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Are you asking for a book to explain why people want freedom from slavery?

No? Not willing to read anything to answer your question?

Oh, you don't read?

http://metanoia-films.org/

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>>12538154
>the belief that any small group of people could hold and manage all the information spread out over millions of actors in a market economy
Uhh... was this written in the 40s?
We have these things called computers now.
Read this.
I'm still an advocate of a moneyless system, but Cockshott really does have an elegant case here

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>>12500844

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>>12483647
Replacing accumulative money with labor vouchers, (and energy certificates) seems quite doable.
I think we could do without even that someday

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If it is sentient it is suicidal, as it keeps stabbing itself repeatedly.

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>>12392074
Oh, I figured you'd be familiar with it.
>>12392081
It ended most chattel slavery is all.

Here's some of Cockshott's argument though

>The real criticism that can be made of capitalist economies in this regard is that they are too slow to adopt laboursaving devices, because labour is artificially cheap.
>Historians have long argued that the reason why the ancients failed to develop an industrial society, despite all the science of the Greeks and the engineering of the Romans, was the institution of slavery. Where all industrial production was relegated to slaves, rational calculation of labour costs was discouraged. A slave was not paid by the hour, so the master had no incentive to account for the hours of his servants' labour. Without such calculations there was little incentive to economise on labour time. So, for instance, although the Romans knew of the water wheel, they never moved on to the widespread application of mechanical power (White, 1962)

–Towards a News Socialism, Chapter 3, Page 42

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>>12379989
It's actually kind of chilly right now.

>>12379992
Towards a New Socialism. Dudes explaining labor vouchers. Good stuff.

>>12379996
I can't be myself if I'm one of you

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>>12379644
Strner's and Bakunin's

That said, he was a pretty good economist.

>>12379780
Explain

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>>12366929
After finishing Stirner's Critics I've been pocking around the prefaces of a few and it looks like this one's the winner. Insightful stuff.

Oh and finished off a short sci-fi story. Kind of hokey opening but a nice twist near the end

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>>11217372
Despook yourself again by reading some actual economics

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