/lit/ - Literature

So I joined this literature discord one day and I saw two people discussing the crucifixion in a way I’ve never seen before. Can somebody explain to me what this type of dialect is? This is legit how their convo went. I think it has something to do with Hegel but I want to know how I can reach this level of esoteric dialect

>the incarnation might be a refined and universalized version of scapegoatism but it fails to extract itself and remains an external particular event and so the connection to the divine is not perfected (perfectly one would be immediately aware of divinity as omnipresent without meditation)
>it is an anti sacrificial sacrifice. It is not local in the same sense as all others are
>In some sense yes it’s a parody but it still remains a particular event
>the numinous consciousness can only be manifested from the external and not immediately from within without the external. You said that perfectly one would be immediately aware of divinity as omnipresent - but this is what happens in the most primitive consciousness of it with the sacralization of the victim and the immediate atmosphere of order and peace and the genesis of the symbolique. All is meditated, manifestation is symbolic.
>personally I don’t think primitives are “aware” of anything
>they are aware and not aware. The knowledge and ignorance are both strictly necessary. The original murder is hidden in the sign as that which is negated and this compelling or otherness requires another sign so that the signifying chain covers over the original absence (murder) but they have used reason in its reduction from the violence literally of the natural flux and the control as unitive, ordering of community

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The death of John the Baptist is one tragic element and the torture of possibly the greatest Hero of all time is another. I wouldn’t say it’s a tragedy for obvious reasons but it shares many of their elements like the usual fall from grace and abuse of the honorable protagonist. You can definitely see the similarities with other Greek epics like how at the beginning of the play, Jesus’s genealogy is presented to be that of honor and prestige along with the circumstances that lead to his birth, setting the stage for the new ultimate Hero of the Greeks.