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Anas bin Maalik (ra) narrated that the Prophet (pbuh) said, “One of the signs of the Hour will be an increase in sudden death.”

Mu’jam At Tabaraani Al Awsat – Hadeeth 9376

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>>20855992
they were destroyed by the guy who pointed out the stark contradiction between Advaita and Sufism, Shankara and Ibn Arabi, which once noted totally legitimizes most of Guenons pseudo-perennial rhetoric, now that they have caught on that their infallible teacher never even read primary source material, they've either gone into denial mode, or have just left the "/trad/" discussion for good, either way, they it would be stupid for them to continue proselytizing the opium-addled frenchman.

>>20830424
Guenons initiation idea breaks down when you realize Sufism is not pure jñāna mārga like Advaita, the approaches are completely irreconcilable, in the sense that Sufism from the view of Advaita really does lack the purely intellectual element, of Adhyatma yoga which is more explicitly a method of no-method, guenon apparently on his stay in egypt would "participate" in these "dhikr meetings" which is quite a redundant thing from the perspective of the pure jñāna mārga of advaitavāda, Guenon was more interested in Apara Brahma upāsana Saguṇa meditation, from the perspective of the pure Para Brahma jñāna of Advaitavāda, there is no difference between Sufism, Catholicism, Orthodoxy, Masonry etc. etc. as they all constitute some degree of Apara Brahma Vidya, which reinforces relativity and illusion, states, and realizations which is totally contrary the true method of Advaita. That Guenon didn't really know this proves that he was nothing but a hack who was more caught up in the lesser mysteries, and delusion of Apara Brahma Vidya, and his followers to this day perpetuate this same delusion.

I can tell you know the initiation methods of Sufism, Catholicism, etc. etc. Tantra, essentially constitute nothing comparable to pure jñāna mārga, as they actively work towards reinforcing delusion, becoming, changing states, that is they say the snake actually transforms into a rope, not that the snake itself does not exist altogether, which is something infinitely different,
If you take you superior Advaita knowledge and try to integrate it volitionally into something like Sufism, Hesychasm, etc. etc. you will be essentially become an 'irregular mystic" according to guenon, as the initiation process is something totally regular, and uniform - this works by a total and perfect submission to the Shaykh, Staretz etc. etc. but now consider this, if you truly perfectly submit to said teacher, and then they teach falsehood contrary to the pure jñāna mārga which reinforces no relativity, what an obstacle that will become....

Guenon didn't know what he was talking about, he advocated a lesser path to naive westerners, the sufi "traditional organization" is as degenerate as the catholic because of this small modification to the true purely intellectual doctrine, which completely compromises all the efforts of the adept, that we even speak of "effort" "cultivation" "realization" speaks to the depth of guenon,

At this point with all these choices of non-supreme knowledge before you, you are just essentially picking and choosing, in an almost material way, based on preference and external and outward appeal... that is a fitting criterion really because these "initiatic traditions" are just superficial and hollow ultimately

You have to start from this superior place of pure jñāna mārga and supreme realization, and then you can dabble if you want just for practical purposes in these irrelevant illusory secondary mental constructions

>If we can historically trace Guénon’s philosophical inspirations back to the Renaissance, which Guénon himself harshly criticized for misunderstanding the sacred civilization of the Middle Ages, and if we can find there the first formulations of Sophia Perennis or the Prisca theologia which compose the foundation of Traditionalist philosophy, then in it becomes completely obvious that these currents came to Western Europe in the Renaissance from the much deeper past and, to a certain extent, from a different cultural context (more specifically, the Byzantine-Greek). Of course, Platonism was well known in Medieval European Scholasticism, but it had long since yielded to Averroism and Aristotelianism enshrined virtually dogmatically in the realism of Thomas Aquinas. Hermeticism had existed in the form of alchemical currents and esoteric fraternities, but in the Renaissance these tendencies surfaced in rather vivid and magistral form, such as in the forms of open Neoplatonism and philosophically-formulated Hermeticism (with numerous direct or indirect polytheistic elements), which claimed to be not merely a secret tradition parallel to the dominant Scholasticism, but a foundational, universal worldview. Renaissance Platonism and Hermeticism directly opposed Catholic Tomism and formulated the agenda of Renaissance Humanism. This humanism was magical and sacred: man was understood to be the “perfect man”, the Platonic philosopher, the Angel-Initiator.

>The Renaissance Platonists appealed directly to the works of Plato, Plotinus, Hermes Trismegistus, and the broader corpus of Neoplatonic and Hermetic theories, many of which were freshly translated from Greek. Platonic humanism was reformed into a conceptual, theoretical bloc and began its offensive against previous philosophical and theological constructs. The Neoplatonists justified their claims to truth by emphasizing the antiquity of their sources and by claiming to propose a philosophical paradigm which could generalize different religious confessions, and as such was more universal and more profound than the Catholic religion of Europe. This synthesis came to include, in the very least, Byzantine Orthodoxy, but the reform program of Gemistus Plethon was even broader, proposing a restoration of “Platonic theology” as a whole and a return to certain aspects of polytheism. Platonism, like Hermeticism, was seen not simply as one philosophical or religious tendency among many others, but as “universal wisdom” capable of serving as a key to the most diverse philosophies and religions, as a common denominator. This idea of a meta-religious generalization became the most important notion of the Rosicrucian movement and, later, European Masonry (as shown by Yates).

Guenon: Bb-but Renaissance... Le Bad

Was he just trying to cover up his influences, not to be identified with le individualistic and "neopagan" characteristics of the Renaissance?

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to clarify the "supra-individual" is more or less equivalent in Guenons scheme to "formless manifestation" or manifestation and is therefore conditioned - therefore individual kek. but a higher aspect, so it is not really "individual" the catholic guy is technically then correct, guenon does confuse things, but he seems at least aware of it.

>>20810143
Because he realized that Advaita was true so he tried to assimilate it to western religion so that westerners won't feel inferior to the hindus. After he failed with catholics, he tried to convert westerners to islam because it was still abrahamic.