/lit/ - Literature

>>13726776
Delete this.

>>11818414
I just want to write good novels about the beauty of ordinary life.

Wtf boys no one has any reccs?

>>10956888
>be 19 year old pseud
>go to a lot of pretentious bands concerts
>read a lot of pretentious books (or at least i thought [infinite jest, rainbow, uly, etc.])
>have standarts off the fucking roof
>3 years i still don't have a girlfriend

Now i either want a super deep girlfriend who will listen to Trout Mask Replica with me or i want the biggest bimbo whore that has ever lived that i will fuck and dump constantly. I am so conflicted.

>>10561151
s-stop that

it makes me sad to see threads like these on /lit/ these days.

>>10256671
>the overall intelligence level has dropped here significantly. You can tell just by the volume of "hey guys I haven't read anything and I'm too dumb to look at the sticky, tell me what to check out" threads which appear in the dozens each day and the number of peterson threads.

exactly. besides, people seem to be way more dismissive of things they don't understand. way more threads that are just <insert-caustic-meme-mocking-this-author-i-read-but-didn't-understand-which-makes-me-angry>. it annoys me that when anons don't like or understand something, the norm is not to discuss it or provide a decent explanation or critique or any discussion. the norm is to insult anyone who tries to explain or spam shitty caustic memes to validate their hate. its so fucking annoying. i wonder if "memes" are the cancer of internet subculture and have crippled people's ability to talk like normal fucking people or risk being wrong even if its in front of an anonymous crowd.

>>10256681
i honestly use the catalog only. always have. and i still feel it's getting worse.

>tfw ill never be the knight of faith

>>9409897
well, I guess I can throw away my philosophy degree

>11th birthday
>patiently wait for my letter of acceptance to the Frankfurt School of Witchcraft and Wizardry from Marx
>tfw it never arrives

>>9300490
>tfw post a thread on /lit/ about something you honestly enjoy.
>tfw get called out on being dishonest

DFW was right. This irony has to stop.

tfw thinking about her

>implying all of you wouldn't have sex with her

>When the Americans exile Napoleon to Guantanamo

>>8785866
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>>8785879
thank you anons. pessoa has been on my list for quite some time. might as well pick him up next.

>>8785893
So sorry for the personal ramblings. I just wanted to give some context and decided to throw some recommendations of my own to add some value to the post. I can elaborate but its sort of twisted and heartbreaking. You'll call me a damn fool if I tell you how it went down in flames.

>>8444453
>>8444502
Can you both elaborate? I ask because I have been extremely confused recently about my feelings towards a girl who simply does not give a shit about me. We were in a relationship and I tried my best to be the best person for her. I felt very strongly about her because she was one of the very very very few people who had decided to let me be close to them (and put up with my garbage self). I think it was my first real relationship in that the other had shown at least some sort of interest in having me around them.

However,it became very apparent to me that she didn't feel nearly as strongly about me. She began ignoring me and bluntly tells me she doesn't care the few times I've accidentally felt like talking about something related to my life instead of hers. (I tried to go with it because I felt that it's best to unconditionally love someone without any expectations. But even then she expressed contempt.)

I don't understand why I still feel so strongly about her despite her callous indifference and complete disregard for me. How can one feel so much love for a person who treats the other like a piece of disposable trash. It ends up causing so much disappointment and pain.

Maybe it's because I have no self esteem. But I don't know. I just want to find a way to stop caring so much about someone or stop caring about people and relationships. My life would be so much simpler and easy and less painful if I could figure out a way to consciously attach less value to human relationships. And if I could figure out how the fuck to move on from someone like her.

I think all the misery and pain that comes from loneliness and the need for relationships and companionship can be removed if we could consciously choose to attach lesser value to these things.

OP here.

>>8245105
What the fuck are you on about. You missed the entire point of my post. I do not need your guide to paradise. I do not want a self help book. I feel repulsed by our compulsion to these pursuits (such as that of an ideal existence called paradiso). That we ought to do this and that to ensure that we don't return to our natural state of anguish and dissatisfaction.

I detest the chase of happiness and the inescapable nature of it. I detest the human condition because it compels us to act in set ways to achieve set goals or else risk remaining dissatisfied and in pain.

The consequences of such a detestation are what I intend to explore (and believe that suicide could be one of them).
Read my goddamn post again.

>>8245179
Read the above passage. I am not jaded with the lack of love and beauty. But jaded at the fact that we're slaves to them and lack any freedom to grow above them for a higher purpose which does not exist.

Our search for love is no different than a rat's search for discarded cheese in a sewer. utterly repugnant.


>>8245210
Thank you. You seem to be the only person who has provided something that might be useful or at least understands the sentiment I intended to capture.

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>>8036481

I've observed this pattern of conversation too. I have a small circle of friends (maybe roughly 10 people) who are extremely caustic in their interaction with each other and almost exclusively talk among themselves via sardonic insults, sarcasm, ironic shit-posting (through text or online conversation) and banter that rips on each other. They also tend to hold cynical and grim perspectives on the norms followed by people outside the circle and the people of the society that they interact with (general normative behavior of peers, adults etc). They use emoji and shitty gifs ironically as a means of deliberate ironic shitposting.

This is in stark contrast with other groups of friends that I've seen who talk to each other much more jovially and unironically. The other groups laugh and tease each other and go out, post pictures on Facebook, "take group photos" and have thriving social lives and overuse emoji unironically. People who wouldn't squirm or feel uncomfortable when saying to their friends things like "I'm glad to have you as a friend".

I wonder if "irony" as talked about in context with "new-sincerity" and by david foster wallace applies to conversational style. (I've only heard it being talked about pertaining to media and culture and literature). If it does, then I think the group I'm in might fall under it.

My attempts at some sort of sincerity (and sincere displays of camaraderie or friendship) are sort of mocked and quickly dismissed as "gay" (with the word used ironically obviously since they're not actually homophobic at all). I wonder if if this camaraderie will exists only under a layer of wry sarcastic banter because not many of us developed as socially well adjusted people close to the norm with optimism and rosy perspectives on things.

I'd been planning novels for 4 years and not actually writing them before coming to /lit/ in 2015. Then I realized, amazingly, that one should not attempt to write books when they have not read anything but manga. For the last year now I've been slowly reading the classics and learning to appreciate literature for its inherent value. I want to attempt to write again but I lack discipline.

tl;dr I'm an idea guy trying to git gud

I'll go for it but you're gonna have to condense these if you wanna get more attention.

How old are you?
>21
How'd you discover 4chan and/or /lit/?
>found 4chan in 2009 after googling things related to Youtube Poop
>found /lit/ by just clicking around different boards
Do you have any serious literary aspirations?
>finish my novels
>improve my prose
>actually fucking write
If you use the critique threads how much weight do you give anons' critiques?
>a lot. anonymous people can give much more honest advice than someone you know personally
When and why did you become a serious reader?
>last year
>decided on a whim to finally start reading the classics
Who's your favorite author and/or greatest influence?
>Hemingway or Burgess
If the previous question had two different answers, what's the reason?
>H's stories compelled me the most
>B's writing conveyed meaning the best
What's your favorite work of literature?
>I dont know how to pick favorites
What's your favorite literary movement?
>I'm just an entry level retard
What's your least favorite work by your favorite author?
>Hemingway's Torrents of Spring bored me
Which other boards do you browse on a regular basis?
>I'm too embarrassed to say
How do you take your coffee and/or tea?
>coffee with a bit of cream or milk
>tea with a few drops of honey

sorry I'm such a faggot

>ask /lit/ some pointers on how I can get better
>GET A NEW HOBBY
>STOP WRITING
>MOVE ON

t-thanks guys