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>>10950792
Certainty exists in mathematics, and things like mathematics (constructions based on a priori axioms). Anything else cannot be proved and is therefore uncertain.

I'm atheist
>debate me
Seriously though, I don't identify as such any more than I identify as someone who doesn't believe in unicorns. It's a conclusion I've reached after a rational consideration of the facts - it's not any more central to my identity than my lack of belief in any other supernatural being.

Agnosticism rubs me the wrong way though, pic related.

>>5656502
>agnostic
Pic related, you're all indecisive faggots who are confused about what differentiates atheism and theism (hint: it's the amount of proof one requires to believe in something).

>>5561051
You are correct, agnosticism is for retards who don't understand that the only logical conclusion of their world view is that they should acknowledge the possibility of the existence of Zeus, Vishnu, Odin, Thor, A flying godly teacup, Santa Claus, Leprechauns and the millions of other creations of our fantasies. One quickly realizes that saying "I don't know" doesn't cut it, you have to draw the line somewhere, and atheists draw the line at proof. No convincing proof of any kind, no belief. Pic related.

Agnosticism is just to show you are not an asshole who thinks you know the truth. Everyone with a head is agnostic and that's why who gives a fuck about it? The problem is when you ask someone "what you think bout god, m8?" and they say "I'm agnostic". No, shit Sherlock, but what do you think? What do you feel? Where do you stand? There is a 50-50 in your head? The question on theism vs atheism is already silly, those who claim to be agnostic (as in, the first thing that comes to their head when talking about their believes) are just even more silly

sage for shitty thread, over and over and over again, some religious nutjobs here, some clueless atheists there, agnostics whining, yadda yadda 300 posts

>>2329795
Even though it's mostly right, one time it says "...but we don't know" and the other "...but we can't know" and these are two different things. The agnostic goes by the second idea.

Also, it's much more complicated than all that. Because even when people stop thinking of agnosticism as "we don't know" and start thinking it right, they are still seeing life from an objective point of view in which the truth is out there and that we can't reach it. It's possible not to think there is such a truth to begin with.

This is why discussing religion on the internet is useless, people can't get past this shit. In the end, you have theists butthurt, atheists disproving god or something, agnostics going like pic related, some ideas thrown in a 203 posts thread.

If someone asks my religious position? I say I'm an atheist, by all means. If someone says why am I so arrogant to claim that, I explain I'm an agnostic atheist. And that is only the tip of the iceberg right there and we haven't talked about anything...