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>>15219154
>P1) Determinism For any human h there exists at least one (deterministic) logical system L(h) which reliably predicts h's actions in all circumstances.
How do you formalize actions? Seems to me like an impossible task. Why would such a system exist? Why would the system be recursive (a condition necessary to apply Gödel's first incompleteness theorem)?
>>15219108
>Note here that the insistence on free will is admitted as being due to an intuition that being fatalist will cause depression.
My knowledge of my own free will has nothing to do with how I'd feel if I hadn't free will.
This proposition is as ridiculous as claiming that all christians insist on existence of God because otherwise they would be depressed, and that all atheists insist on the nonexistence of God because they want to commit sins and don't want anyone to judge them. I could also say that all people who don't believe in free will do so to evade moral responsibility for their actions. It's too easy to make such baseless claims.
Even if it were true (it's not) that I came to believe that I have free will due to fear of depression or feelings, pointing it out is not an argument against free will. All you're trying to do is, at best, an appeal to emotion yourself.
>OP is scared he isn't "in control" and so plugs up his ears to reason and facts and goes LALALALA YOU CAN'T TELL ME. I CAN'T HEAR YOU LALALA
You sound like a 13 year old child. Also how can you not see what I'm doing here? I have been responding to all of the arguments against free will and trying to engage with them, refuting them. You're clearly just projecting at this point because you know you have no arguments against free will. Also, to top it off
> read my book
Just lol.
>>15219138
I developed my free will as I grew. As a small baby, I did not have a lot of free will, I wasn't able to think. External causes have influenced who I am, just like the things I see and do everyday influence the things I think and do, and in turn, who I am. That has nothing to do with free will.
>When exactly do you get to the point when you are able to invoke free will? Is it the day you can be tried as an adult?
This is a common fallacy. Let me offer you an analogy to demonstrate why your argument is invalid
> 1 grain of sand is not a pile of sand
> if a collection of grains of sand is not a pile of sand, adding one more grain won't make it into a pile
> therefore there can be no piles of sand, because there must be a first number of grains that make up a pile, but that means that a pile came from a non-pile, which is impossible.
Free will is not exactly a binary predicate. Some times I have less free will than others, for example, when sleeping I do not have a lot of free will, at least I don't believe I do.