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>We can observe that matter doesn't change itself, that wood doesn't turn itself in a bed or that bronze doesn't turn itself into a statue, for example. These things require a craftsman to shape them but if we consider what the craftsman is and assume he's just material then we have a viscous regress of matter moving matter which is contrary to the initial observation.
That's just begging the question. You're saying the craftsman can't be considered purely material because matter can't transform itself, but that's precisely the claim that the interpretation of the craftsman as a purely material entity is trying to argue against.

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