/lit/ - Literature

>>11902384
The Real is one of those terms that shouldn't just be taken at face value. The Real is a construct of a lot of continental theory-mongering in its own right: thing-in-itself, Das Ding, Being, Capital, and 20m other things. land has his own concept of this, that being, the Outside.

so there's no need to give me too much wiggle room when i tacitly try and slide a term like this in, it's obviously highly contestable. but my point is to say that we do seem to be becoming a world more and more governed by capital and economic relations, a world governed by abstract numbers, and that these have a kind of a mysterious force or potency in them. *something* is there, in the end, that legitimates the use of force, or the Law, or what have you. but - at least in my dingbat imagination, which is obviously damaged by far too much reading of land, baudrillard, et al - the virtual world of numbers &c increasingly takes on its own self-propelling, self-guiding autonomy, and culminates in the end in things such as social credit or teleoplexy. the mysterious force of ideological gravity, whatever we are calling it, intra-socially, is the Real.

but here we are, after having gone through the looking glass of continental theory over the past fifty years, and what has remained throughout this process is capital, simulation, technology, and the rest. even hegel still lives, in a sense, it's just that hegelian thought after Foucault changes a great deal, as it does after land also (although land is arguably bringing him back, albeit in a very different sense, if teleoplexy works in this way).

but yuk hui, imho, is a legit alternative to landian thinking. gilbert simondon and bernard stiegler are not D&G and they are not marx. land for his part has already intimated the need for a rapprochement with heidegger:

>Nick Land: The whole of critique, and the whole of capitalism, can be translated into a discourse on time. Most famously the Heideggerian formulation of critique, that seems to me conservative in its essentials — that’s to say I don’t think it is a candidate for a post-Kantianism, but I think it’s definitely enriching in the fact that it’s quite clear about adding certain insightful formulations, and they tend to be time-oriented. The Heideggerian translation of the basic critical argument is that the metaphysical error is to understand time as something in time. So you translate this language, objectivity and objects, into the language of temporality and intra-temporality, and have equally plausible ability to construe the previous history of metaphysical philosophy in terms of what it is to to make an error. The basic error then, at this point, is to think of time as something in time.

source:
https://vastabrupt.com/2018/08/15/ideology-intelligence-and-capital-nick-land/

what i'm wondering is, how much of what YH is saying constitutes this return to heidegger (including stiegler) and simondonians (simondon) once more with feeling?

>>9922075
i'm a little bit unusual, perhaps. in my sincerity and fondness for art there is a minor whiff of desperation brought on by an excess of philosophy that busted up a few things that will take a while to repair. namely, the cynicism filters. those don't work anymore. one anon even told me that he didn't like how sincere i sounded and for that reason he would never read my philosopher of choice. things you can't make up.

philosophy can be kind of a heartbreaker. i sought that out, like a goofball. i wanted to look into the darkest of the dark places and they turned out to be...uh...rather more dark than i had anticipated. so my thing is mos def not cynicism anymore. much more radical sincerity, steelmanning over strawmanning, and being a goofball. i like cool sagely conversation and nice art things. i was always into pulp stuff, even before nick land's wild ride.

i think sincerity is the deal. i genuinely do. DFW was right. i don't think cynicism really has a foothold anymore. of course, this isn't to say that the world as such is any more cool and friendly than before: indeed, it suggests a period of mass superstition, paranoia, mob craziness and much else. namely, *politics* - and politics sucks. feels > reals &c. so i try to temper my sincerity and such with sanity.

art's just so interesting sometimes.

anyways...thanks for contributing to the thread and for this kind thought. hope it percolates a good thought or two for you.