/lit/ - Literature

>>23150347
>You got me. But my son you will not get. You were committing a fateful mistake when assigning even procreation to my will. And you did not do this out of love..., but rather to burden me with the heaviest of all responsibilities...: Am I to perpetuate this species or not? And from now on I will ask no longer what you want; rather you shall ask what I want. And I will no longer offer further sacrifices to the God of life. I will punish you with the ability you bequeathed to me in order to torment me; I will turn my clairvoyance against you and thus bereaving you of your victims. And the abused millions will stand behind me like a plough... And evermore will two people create one human being... Thus you will feel your powerlessness begging me on your bloody knees.
>Peter Wessel Zapffe, Om Det Tragiske, 1983

>>20591646
>humans are only different from the rest of life as we know it in our ability to anticipate it
I know the other pessimists and I post about Zapffe, a lot, but I think everyone ITT would benefit from the revelation of reading The Last Messiah. It frames our predicament so well. I wonder what Big Rick thought of Zapffe, if he thought of him at all.

"But as he stands before imminent death, he grasps its nature also, and the cosmic import of the step to come. His creative imagination constructs new, fearful prospects behind the curtain of death, and he sees that even there is no sanctuary found. And now he can discern the outline of his biologicocosmic terms: He is the universe’s helpless captive, kept to fall into nameless possibilities.

From this moment on, he is in a state of relentless panic.

Such a ‘feeling of cosmic panic’ is pivotal to every human mind."

https://youtu.be/Yr4ZfEf-lF0 [Embed]

>>20591646
>humans are only different from the rest of life as we know it in our ability to anticipate it
I know the other pessimists and I post about Zapffe, a lot, but I think everyone ITT would benefit from the revelation of reading The Last Messiah. It frames our predicament so well.

"But as he stands before imminent death, he grasps its nature also, and the cosmic import of the step to come. His creative imagination constructs new, fearful prospects behind the curtain of death, and he sees that even there is no sanctuary found. And now he can discern the outline of his biologicocosmic terms: He is the universe’s helpless captive, kept to fall into nameless possibilities. I wonder what Big Rick thought of Zapffe, if he thought of him at all.

From this moment on, he is in a state of relentless panic.

Such a ‘feeling of cosmic panic’ is pivotal to every human mind."

https://youtu.be/Yr4ZfEf-lF0

In Blindsight, man has been stunted and hindered by the development of consciousness, as the rest of the universe is getting vastly more intelligent without. Seems close to Zappfe's condemnation of consciousness as a cosmic accident, an over-development that hinders man's ability to flourish.

thots?

>>12292589
Zapffe it the final boss of the Antinatalists. Also, Mainländer and Michelstädter. Zapffe's "The last Messiah" is on the net by the way. Pretty short and beautiful.
http://www.knunst.com/planetzapffe/?page_id=1093

Relax, it;s too early to decide whether species suicide is the only option. Even if it is, it would be epic tragedy. Read some Nietzsche and wait at least 2000 years.

>>8151605
A specific brand of Christianity is the only option to Atheism ? Is there proof or did you just like the book ?

It means `Let your seed fall to the ground`. Antinatalism.

>>7506867
1) The universe may just exist because it is mathematically consistent. No creation necessary. Even if this bubble was started in a big bang, there was a "before" in the form of maximum entropy space.
2) Desire for god does not equal with "personally experiencing" it. That's the classic "jump into the well" - you just know and that's it.
3) If God precedes the universe, he is indeed beyond time. But "God precedes the Universe" is an assumption.
4) Made in the Image of God usually is understood that we are in our current form the apex of evolution when it comes to sentience which is unlikely.
When I said God is separate from humans I mean in the Pantheistic sense. Christianity is non-Pantheistic and that's another assumption.
You are operating in a very different framework of truth. Depending on the framework, you may end with something more or less usable to describe reality. Math is not different, it's based on axioms but on an absolute minimum. You can have three-valued logics like true, don't know and false, or interval logics in 0;1 like Fuzzy logic or probability logics, and they work to some extent but lead to paradoxes sooner or later. There is no truth. But less assumptions works magic when it comes to describing the universe. Complicated thing generally tend NOT to happen, and Christianity is pretty complicated, because the answers actually generate new questions.

>>6336421
>procreating

>>6079413
>>6079433
Both are shit.

Suicide or simple hedonistic pleasures. My choice is collecting records.

Zapffe and Nietzsche.
Both accepted the same premises, but Nietzsche stopped one step before the abyss. Zapffe did one step more.
Tiny difference, huge consequence.

Ligotti's "The Conspiracy against the Human Race". I'm not joking. Also Zapffe's "The Last Messiah".

>>5102451
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Death
Work your way from there.
>>5102453
>if you live your whole life based on the fact that you are going to die
But I don't. I just try to forget about it the best I can but I'm also trying to warn OP so he won't get disappointed when his 9-5 office job won't most likely make his life feel meaningful and worthwhile.

>>5032457
>camus
Not even once.

Ligotti, always Ligotti. Conspiracy Against the Human Race, then the rest of his works. Pic also somewhat related.