/lit/ - Literature

Anyone? Does anyone have an actual fucking opinion on Revolt Against the Modern World written by Julius Baron Evola? Have you guys even read it? Do you even understand what Evola sought to argue for in the book? Fucking hell, you guys are absolutely fucking hopeless.

>>22059349
Your soul is made of bronze, you wouldn't get it.

>>21550633
Ok, so what is the better developed book describing the ideology?

>>21474594
I think you're mixing and matching things. In normal circumstances caste is supposed to be heritable, yes, but today the situation is different and the caste can vary by individuals even within the same family.
If you need help with the caste issue, I can try to help you figure it out - just remember that I am simply giving my opinion, that I do not know you personally, and further that caste as such does not have to define you, although it could be a useful tool in defining yourself.
Some sources you could consult is a compilation of texts by the Traditionalists entitled "Race and Caste", and also Schuon's book "To Have a Centre" or whatever it was called. Both texts deal heavily with caste.
The essential point is to figure out which quality of the four varna qualities predominates within you. Here is a quote from the Bhagavad Gita on this topic:
>18.41 The duties of the Brahmins, Kshatriyas, Vaishyas, and Shudras—are distributed according to their qualities, in accordance with their guṇas (and not by birth).
>18.42 Tranquility, restraint, austerity, purity, patience, integrity, knowledge, wisdom, and belief in a hereafter—these are the intrinsic qualities of work for Brahmins.
>18.43 Valor, strength, fortitude, skill in weaponry, resolve never to retreat from battle, large-heartedness in charity, and leadership abilities, these are the natural qualities of work for Kshatriyas.
>18.44 Agriculture, dairy farming, and commerce are the natural works for those with the qualities of Vaishyas. Serving through work is the natural duty for those with the qualities of Shudras.
>18.45 By fulfilling their duties, born of their innate qualities, human beings can attain perfection. Now hear from Me how one can become perfect by discharging one’s prescribed duties.
Basically what you have to do is look deep within yourself and honestly confirm what your inclinations are. If you are dishonest then there's no point in messing with caste at all and you should just approach identity in the way modern people do this. I am going to attach a chart that may be helpful to provide some orientations if you use your brain to interpret it. In the attached pic, the "world" section refers to the world of matter - Shudras are drawn to the lower half which relates to instincts, vital forces, the body, pleasure, etc. Their joy is the basest joy of the body. Vaishyas have (as per Schuon) an "objective" rather than "subjective" character like the shudras - they pursue an eudaimonic happiness grounded in their material activity. The Vaishya loves to make more and better material things, in a peaceful, orderly and profitable manner. I ran out of characters so I'll continue in the next post.
>>21474653
Eh I mean that's technically true, and whites as a whole are a Kshatriya people, but there's obvious internal differentiation within the race. We are more heavily balanced towards Kshatriya but that won't help you figure out if you are a Kshatriya yourself.

>>17880616
He uses it in two contexts which Overlap.

Firstly is his notion of Qualitative Differentiation, which applies to organized human affairs as a whole. Here you see him explain things like the Caste system and the difference of quality of the governing principle between the castes is stark and obvious, as is the difference in human character of the members of each caste. The current age has regressed from the Regal Sacred Caste, down through the Warrior Nobility and left us with the Lords of Industry and Finance and we're now approaching rule by the Lords of Labor because our relationship with principle has degenerated so much. So this modern age is clearly Bourgious and Proletariat, Merchantile and Plebian, Money and Labor, nothing legitimately transcends this anymore.

Now second is Evolas Differentiated Man, typically someone of the Kshaktriya(Warrior) disposition. His type of soul seeks to serve a higher principle absolutely above all else, and advance the will of God and purge evil from the face of the earth. This unto itself has nothing to do with the physical act of violence, but an inner attitude which differentiates this person from his contemporaries. He belongs to a different stratum of human potential so he is not given the proper position to fulfill himself in this modern world, yet he refuses to break his code of honour by simply giving up. The Differentated Man has a strong mind and soul which prevent him from being conditioned by modernity.

See chart

It might also be said that the modern world more than any other period seeks the erosion of differences or fundamental inequalities for an almost alien uniformity to the bottom.

>>17517808
>I mean we've certainly experienced dysgenic change, but wtf involution
I used to find it a strange idea myself, but now it makes perfect sense to me. I don't know if I would argue for the validity of biological involution necessarily, but I am open to the idea.
One of the main elements that Evola uses is the model of the Four Ages (Hesiod, the Yugas etc). The law of the Regression of the Castes is a concept that Evola derives from the doctrine of the Four Ages and it basically states that as a civilisation declines, its active will dissipates and along with the will the caste which dominates the civilisation and acts as the source of the will also declines. Eventually, the caste is overcome by the second highest ranked caste and is replaced, subsumed both in terms of will and potentially also in terms of biology. This becomes especially troublesome when passing from the end of one cycle to the beginning of a new cycle, since the lower can not give birth to the higher and at best what has survived can be transmitted and rediscovered to one extent or another in the next cycle. As the cycles go by one after another, this quickly becomes a cumulative problem.

>>17311125
Similar to this

>>17279495
>how can there be without a unanimous acceptance of this hierarchy, genius? hierarchy already implies order
That's not the same as uniformity or homogeneity.
>arbitrary nonsensical claim
Labourers and merchants form the materialist classes and rationalism is the bourgeois ideology par excellence. People are driven to rationalism by the desire to make things safe, comfortable, sensible etc. Obviously, rationality is important for every functional human being, but rationality as the driving principle; rationalism - that is for plebs.
>like a non-dogmatic law about incest to preserve the most atomic constituent of a society not to fall into the violence sex naturally attracts?
It is difficult for me to understand some of the things you write. I have no idea what you are trying to say here. Are you bringing up the Christian anti-incest system, for some reason? Are you trying to suggest anti-incest dogma is necessary? I can't tell what you are saying or why you are saying it.
>i'm showing to you they arent and all you do is repeating in a very dogmatic way your own religious fancies
What are my religious fancies? All I am saying is that dogma, in itself, is lifeless and pointless. Which it is. In the first place, even if we assign axiomatic value to dogma, it means nothing until people start to follow it. Once again, it boils down to the spiritual discipline of the individual, not to a dogmatic rule book.
>so it has a function now? you said literally in the statement above they are ''lifeless and pointless''.
I refer you to what I said here: >>17278237
>Dogma is a useful support when there is need for support, but in itself it does not bring even a sliver of enlightenment - it can at best light the way.
There is nothing special about dogma. Dogma doesn't do anything. People do things, according to dogma, but not for the sake of dogma.
I didn't put that "in and of itself" bit in that sentence just to make it sound better - I put it there because it's important.

>>17121360
Pseud take.
>You literally refuted yourself right there. This spiritual element is complete made up bs, or straight up useless, if tradition was so easily discarded.
It wasn't "easily discarded", this is a total historical anomaly.
>Where is that spiritual element now?
It's still here. Even most leftists use the spiritual principle to negate spiritual values - it's the ideals of equality, socialism etc. that guide their actions in many cases, rather than the material aspiration for homogeneity and animal comfort.
>Why are we degenerating?
I just told you - because the horizons of humanity have been forcibly contracted. There are still plenty of people who are living according to spiritual principles.
>This is where you usually bring up Jews or something to explain why that spirit was "corrupted", basically a giga-cope, a complete cop out.
The Jews could hardly accomplish a task this colossal, but it's difficult to agree on one specific narrative on how we arrived here. Personally, I think we see a fall already with the introduction of Christianity, which is an alien religion unsuitable for the European spirit. From there on, you see the gradual conflicts between the Church and State, the Renaissance, Enlightenment etc. leading up to revolutionary ideologies and coarsely materialist worldviews.
>You seem like a not completely braindead /pol/tard so I'd like to know why exactly this spirit is gone (if we ever had it)
It's not gone, it's still here, but it's either inactive or self-denying. The issue we are dealing here is the unity or disunity of the sacred and profane. The more united the two are, the more spiritual the people and the more traditional things are. The Romans served extra portions during celebrations because they believed that their brothers - the gods - would feast alongside them. As this transcendental confidence disappears, so does spiritual awareness, leading to a self-perpetuating cycle until the end of the civilisation and the beginning of the next one. Some people still retain spiritual awareness and strength even in times of decline, but you'd need to achieve Nirvana or something equivalent to that in order to have those qualifications.
>or how we even abandoned tradition at all if this spirit, according to you innate to us human beings, inspires us to do something that we literally destroyed ourselves.
It's not up to me to give you the entire history of this, as I myself do not have all of the answers. It's not hard to abandon spirit. As I said earlier, the human body is a composite - the spirit is the higher and more inaccessible aspect. In a noble and preserved people, it is present and luminous. In degenerate people or degenerate times, it requires a lot of effort to discover. When spirit-denying forces seize control of power, this factor, combined with a general degenerated climate, leads to what we have now. Ruling caste values are important. Pic rel.

>>16969866
Excellent post

>>16871948
You mean this?