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We are reading the ideas of a small, elite group of homosexual paedophiles, and there is no reason to believe that their perversions are representative of the society at large, indeed if such mental ollness was more widespread the maintenance of Greek culture would have been impossible.
https://youtu.be/BNAT4ybsz_E

>>18863653
no need to wait

>>18839992
So Sam and Frodo were just gay for each other too? Fuck off. If you’re a male that’s never experienced this I pity you, you were probably the sort that never went outside and participated in team sports, but male friendships run way fucking deeper then anyone in the modern west gives them credit for, and will automatically label you gay or “romantically involved”. This is how you identify males that are not really males. You are spiritually transsexual my friend.

>>16142675
Spartans very clearly banned all sexual relationships between men, as per the laws of Lycurgus, which were employed until the end of the Spartan state, as they never changed. Not to mention all Spartans that didn't marry and were celibate were punished with taxes and ostracized and excluded from celebrations and festivals
>The customs instituted by Lycurgus were opposed to all of these. If someone, being himself an honest man, admired a boy's soul and tried to make of him an ideal friend without reproach and to associate with him, he approved, and believed in the excellence of this kind of training. But if it was clear that the attraction lay in the boy's outward beauty, he banned the connexion as an abomination; and thus he caused lovers to abstain from boys no less than parents abstain from sexual intercourse with their children and brothers and sisters with each other.
http://www.perseus.tufts.edu/hopper/text?doc=Perseus%3Atext%3A1999.01.0210%3Atext%3DConst.%20Lac.%3Achapter%3D2%3Asection%3D13

And on Greek "pedastry", specifically Athenian
Pedastry was strictly an educational relationship, there was no sexual elements involved. Different Greek city states just accused each other of them being sexual relationships to accuse each other of being barbarians and allowing such a thing to happen while they didn't, to prove themsevles and their laws superior. One example of this was Boeotians who they accused of allowing this sort of behaviour and regarded them as barbaric and animalistic, however Boetians did not actually allow this, just like their counterparts in the rest of Greece, they were merely used as scapegoats so different states could prove their laws superior
>The view that the Boeotians conducted themselves in an ‘uncivilized’ manner in their homosexual relations is therefore better understood as an attempt by other Greeks to distinguish themselves from the ‘boorish’ Boeotians and to justify their own aversion to this form of erotic love.
https://www.tandfonline.com/doi/abs/10.1300/J082v49n03_06

>>16137573
>What is the Roman Empire and the ancient Greeks.
You're going to make yourself look stupid. See >>16137397

As a bonus
And on Greek "pedastry", specifically Athenian
Pedastry was strictly an educational relationship, there was no sexual elements involved. Different Greek city states just accused each other of them being sexual relationships to accuse each other of being barbarians and allowing such a thing to happen while they didn't, to prove themsevles and their laws superior. One example of this was Boeotians who they accused of allowing this sort of behaviour and regarded them as barbaric and animalistic, however Boetians did not actually allow this, just like their counterparts in the rest of Greece, they were merely used as scapegoats so different states could prove their laws superior
>The view that the Boeotians conducted themselves in an ‘uncivilized’ manner in their homosexual relations is therefore better understood as an attempt by other Greeks to distinguish themselves from the ‘boorish’ Boeotians and to justify their own aversion to this form of erotic love.
https://www.tandfonline.com/doi/abs/10.1300/J082v49n03_06

A very similar thing is visible in the Roman Empire, homosexuality is greately exaggerated in modern times, and it was in fact very much not allowed

The amount of homosexuality in ancient Greece is quite probably greatly exaggerated. Aside from a small intellectual class in which it was fashionable it was quite probably no more popular than today, but just as inordinately visible it is today. Greek city states were always accusing each other of pederasty as a way of dissing each other.

>>16088630
I'm glad you asked because I wanted you to!

Spartans very clearly banned all sexual relationships between men, as per the laws of Lycurgus, which were employed until the end of the Spartan state, as they never changed. Not to mention all Spartans that didn't marry and were celibate were punished and ostracized
>The customs instituted by Lycurgus were opposed to all of these. If someone, being himself an honest man, admired a boy's soul and tried to make of him an ideal friend without reproach and to associate with him, he approved, and believed in the excellence of this kind of training. But if it was clear that the attraction lay in the boy's outward beauty, he banned the connexion as an abomination; and thus he caused lovers to abstain from boys no less than parents abstain from sexual intercourse with their children and brothers and sisters with each other.
http://www.perseus.tufts.edu/hopper/text?doc=Perseus%3Atext%3A1999.01.0210%3Atext%3DConst.%20Lac.%3Achapter%3D2%3Asection%3D13

And on Greek "pedastry", specifically Athenian
Pedastry was strictly an educational relationship, there was no sexual elements involved. Different Greek city states just accused each other of them being sexual relationships to accuse each other of being barbarians and allowing such a thing to happen while they didn't, to prove themsevles and their laws superior

>>16045493
>a common thing in ancient greece and rome was an older man fucking a younger teenage boy.
No it was not. Pedastry was strictly an educational relationship, there was no sexual elements involved. Different Greek city states just accused each other of them being sexual relationships to accuse each other of being barbarians and allowing such a thing to happen while they didn't, to prove themsevles and their laws superior

>the taliban/pashtun, who are the real inheritors of the spartan tradition still do it to this day
Spartans were clearly banned all sexual relationships between men, as per the laws of Lycurgus, which were employed until the end of the Spartan state, as they never changed
>The customs instituted by Lycurgus were opposed to all of these. If someone, being himself an honest man, admired a boy's soul and tried to make of him an ideal friend without reproach and to associate with him, he approved, and believed in the excellence of this kind of training. But if it was clear that the attraction lay in the boy's outward beauty, he banned the connexion as an abomination; and thus he caused lovers to abstain from boys no less than parents abstain from sexual intercourse with their children and brothers and sisters with each other.
http://www.perseus.tufts.edu/hopper/text?doc=Perseus%3Atext%3A1999.01.0210%3Atext%3DConst.%20Lac.%3Achapter%3D2%3Asection%3D13