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Calvinism hurts my soul. It such an unbelievable pessimistic and evil philosophy. It's reversed gnosticism.
My heart churns whenever I Calvinists start posting, I can't stay in the thread—and I'm not even Christian.
Fuck Calvinists and fuck prots.

Prots don't read.

>>16314517
>niv
>no apocrypha
I say this as a Platonist who isn't even Christian. First, fuck prots. Now, the critique against the "apocrypha" is fucking retarded, the Septuagint has them—the NT quotes the Septuagint.
The Bible Luther and & Co had when they framed Sola Scriptura had these books, they then Post hoc removed those books, Luther even wanted to remove James.

But you're on the right path of abandoning this syncretic and racist work that has plagued man for 1700 years.

>>16267480

>For simply saying ‘turn your attention to god’ actually achieves nothing of consequence unless one also explains how one turns one’s attention to god. After all, someone might ask, what is to stop one from turning his attention to god without abstaining from pleasure or controlling his temper, thus calling to mind the name ‘god’ while also being afflicted by all these passions and not even trying to purge oneself of any of them?
>In fact, it is virtue that leads one to the goal and that reveals god, when it is present in the soul together with practical wisdom, but when uttered without true virtue, ‘god’ is just a name.

Protestants btfo circa 240-270AD.

>making a dichotomy between Faith and Works.
>do mental gymnastics every time the Bible talks about the greater importance of fruits and works
Also his "elect" is literally gnosticism.
I hear you like Augustine, and that he loved this guy:
>For simply saying 'turn your attention to god' actually achieves nothing of consequence unless one also explains how one turns one's attention to God. After all, someone might ask, what is to stop one from turning his attention to God without abstaining from pleasure or controlling his temper, thus calling to mind the name 'god' while also being afflicted by all these passions and not even trying to purge oneself of any of them?
In fact, it is virtue that leads one to the goal and that reveals God, when it is present in the soul together with practical wisdom, but when uttered without true virtue, 'God' is just a name.

>>15814242
I said
FUCK PROTS
Literal interpretation does not exist, only tradition can decide what the correct interpretation is >>15814023
And I'm not even Christians. Thus if you're not Catholic or Orthodox you're not Christian, you're an arrogant fool who thinks their own individual midwit self has the wisdom to interpret translated revelation. To cherry pick what your feefees think must be true.
I hate all deniers of philosophic and religious tradition, even when its not even my tradition.

Jay Dyer's two upcoming books.
Unironically.
Me not being Christian I will use these as basis for critique, since he can deny what he had said but not what he will write. For his arguments against catholicism and prots are top tier, but not those against Platonism which he claims to have read yet generalize so bad that he clearly hasn't.

>>15303673

Romans 2
Acts 8
epistles of james
Colossians 2
Matthew 23
Acts 15
...

A dialogue between a Prot and his Nous.
By Anon.
>be protestant
>praise be paul
>>what is Romans 2?
>we don't talk about. . .
>>could you tell me what James says about Work and Faith?
>uuuuuuuuuuuuuh
>>what are fruits?
>AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAH

>>15069418
Read Romans 2 and James 2 illiterate

>>15061940
>>15061957
Faith Without Works Is Dead
14 What good is it, my brothers, if someone says he has faith but does not have works? Can that faith save him? 15 If a brother or sister is poorly clothed and lacking in daily food, 16 and one of you says to them, “Go in peace, be warmed and filled,” without giving them the things needed for the body, what good[b] is that? 17 So also faith by itself, if it does not have works, is dead.

18 But someone will say, “You have faith and I have works.” Show me your faith apart from your works, and I will show you my faith by my works. 19 You believe that God is one; you do well. Even the demons believe—and shudder! 20 Do you want to be shown, you foolish person, that faith apart from works is useless? 21 Was not Abraham our father justified by works when he offered up his son Isaac on the altar? 22 You see that faith was active along with his works, and faith was completed by his works; 23 and the Scripture was fulfilled that says, “Abraham believed God, and it was counted to him as righteousness”—and he was called a friend of God. 24 You see that a person is justified by works and not by faith alone. 25 And in the same way was not also Rahab the prostitute justified by works when she received the messengers and sent them out by another way? 26 For as the body apart from the spirit is dead, so also faith apart from works is dead

>>14939485
I'm agnostic of christ, and I believe words in my head or confessions, under no danger to state them, is not faith. Action is faith, true belief is virtue; and I believe Christ (if he reals) couldn't give less of a fuck whether someone who saves another life tells themselves that Christ is real or not but whether they save that life out of love or not.

Faith Without Works Is Dead
14 What does it profit, my brethren, if someone says he has faith but does not have works? Can faith save him? 15 If a brother or sister is naked and destitute of daily food, 16 and one of you says to them, “Depart in peace, be warmed and filled,” but you do not give them the things which are needed for the body, what does it profit? 17 Thus also faith by itself, if it does not have works, is dead.

18 But someone will say, “You have faith, and I have works.” Show me your faith without [f]your works, and I will show you my faith by [g]my works. 19 You believe that there is one God. You do well. Even the demons believe—and tremble! 20 But do you want to know, O foolish man, that faith without works is [h]dead? 21 Was not Abraham our father justified by works when he offered Isaac his son on the altar? 22 Do you see that faith was working together with his works, and by works faith was made [i]perfect? 23 And the Scripture was fulfilled which says, “Abraham believed God, and it was [j]accounted to him for righteousness.” And he was called the friend of God. 24 You see then that a man is justified by works, and not by faith only.

25 Likewise, was not Rahab the harlot also justified by works when she received the messengers and sent them out another way?

26 For as the body without the spirit is dead, so faith without works is dead also.

>>14602855
then he'll just have to look for any protestant translation

>>14470021
and, behold, a man of Ethiopia, an eunuch of great authority under Candace queen of the Ethiopians, who had the charge of all her treasure, and had come to Jerusalem for to worship,

28 Was returning, and sitting in his chariot read Esaias the prophet.

29 Then the Spirit said unto Philip, Go near, and join thyself to this chariot.

>30 And Philip ran thither to him, and heard him read the prophet Esaias, and said, Understandest thou what thou readest?

>31 And he said, How can I, except some man should guide me? And he desired Philip that he would come up and sit with him.

32 The place of the scripture which he read was this, He was led as a sheep to the slaughter; and like a lamb dumb before his shearer, so opened he not his mouth:

33 In his humiliation his judgment was taken away: and who shall declare his generation? for his life is taken from the earth.

34 And the eunuch answered Philip, and said, I pray thee, of whom speaketh the prophet this? of himself, or of some other man?

35 Then Philip opened his mouth, and began at the same scripture, and preached unto him Jesus.

36 And as they went on their way, they came unto a certain water: and the eunuch said, See, here is water; what doth hinder me to be baptized?

37 And Philip said, If thou believest with all thine heart, thou mayest. And he answered and said, I believe that Jesus Christ is the Son of God.

38 And he commanded the chariot to stand still: and they went down both into the water, both Philip and the eunuch; and he baptized him.