/lit/ - Literature

>>21664002
Well I wasn't concerning myself with any particular dialogue, just the claim that >>21660731
>Socrates just said that because he wanted to die.
>>21662040
As regards 443 in the Republic, obeying law is an image of the inwards justice of the soul. Phantom makes it seem a bit false. It is just to obey law, but true justice is an inwards disposition that keeps one's soul in harmony with all the virtues. I regard the Republic as a later work which elaborates on the character of Socrates as opposed to a truly Socratic dialogue like the Apology. So in your second point I think your applying the ideal hypotheticals of the Republic to Athens is a false equivalency. I think it's easy to see that we don't just owe the state by virtue of the state helping us to become philsophers, but by virtue of helping us to be at all. As Plato writes in the section mention 520:
>it is only just that anything that grows up on its own should feel it has nothing to repay for an upbringing which it owes to no one.
But nothing grows up on its own. Therefore everything has some form of community it should justly repay for having helped bring it up.
Philosophising as preparation for death. Yes. By engaging in philosophy Socrates has prepared for,
>not by my words but by my actions, that the attention I paid to death was zero (if that is not too unrefined a claim); but that I gave all my attention to avoiding doing anything unjust or unholy
this is preparation for death. He speaks of paying death zero attention here in the sense that the thought of it has no ability to impact his principles of acting justly and piously, precisely because he has prepared for it by using philosophy to realise that death is no something to be feared bit compromising virtue is.
Apparently he would have died around this time of the year. His death day was apparently the 15th this month.