/lit/ - Literature

Abbreviation
>CHGRPT: C. Rowe and M. Schofield, eds, The Cambridge History of Greek and Roman Political Thought (2000)
>Keyt & Miller: D. Keyt and F.D. Miller, eds, A Companion to Aristotle’s ‘Politics’ (1991)
>Lord & O’Connor: C. Lord and D.K. O’Connor, eds, Essays on the Foundations of Aristotelian Political Science (1991)
>Rorty: A.O. Rorty, ed., Essays on Aristotle’s ‘Ethics’ (1980)

A1 PLATO
>R. Bambrough, ‘Plato’s political analogies’, in G. Vlastos, ed., Plato: A Collection of Critical Essays (1971), vol. II
>M.F. Burnyeat, ‘Utopia and fantasy: the practicability of Plato’s ideally just city’, in Psychoanalysis, Mind and Art, ed. J. Hopkins and A. Savile (1992); repr. in G. Fine, ed., Plato (1999), vol. II
>* J.M. Cooper, ‘The psychology of justice in Plato’, American Philosophical Quarterly, 14 (1977), 151-57, repr. in Cooper, Reason and Emotion (1999)
>C. Farrar, The Origins of Democratic Thinking (1988), ch. 7
>G.R.F. Ferrari ed., Plato’s Republic (Cambridge 2007)
>* A. Laks, ‘Legislation and demiurgy: on the relation between Plato’s Republic and Laws’, Classical Antiquity, 9 (1990), pp. 209-29
>———, ‘The Laws’ in CHGRPT, ch. 12
>* M. Lane, ‘Socrates and Plato: an introduction’, in CHGRPT, ch. 8 ———, Plato’s Progeny: How Socrates and Plato Still Captivate the Modern Mind (2001)
>J. Lear, ‘Inside and outside the Republic’, Phronesis, 37 (1992), 184-215
>* A. Nehamas, ‘The Republic’, in Virtues of Authenticity: Essays on Plato and Socrates (1999)
>A.W. Nightingale, Spectacles of Truth in Classical Greek Philosophy (2004), chs 3, 4
>M.C. Nussbaum, The Fragility of Goodness (1986), ch. 5
>* J. Ober, Political Dissent in Democratic Athens: Intellectual Critics of Popular Rule (1998), chs 1, 4
>C.D.C. Reeve, Philosopher Kings (1988)
>C.J Rowe, Plato (1984)
>* M. Schofield, ‘Approaching the Republic’, in CHGRPT, ch. 10
>M. Schofield, Plato (Oxford 2006)
>J. Sikkenga, 'Plato's Examination of the Oligarchic Soul in Book VIII of the Republic', History of Political Thought, 23 (2002), 377-400
>G. Vlastos, ‘Justice and happiness in Plato’s Republic’, in Vlastos, Platonic Studies (1973)
>———, ‘The theory of social justice in the polis in Plato’s Republic’, in H.F. North, ed., Interpretations of Plato (1977)
>J. Waldron, ‘What Plato would allow’, in I. Shapiro & J. W. DeCew eds., Theory and Practice (1995)
>* B. Williams, ‘The analogy of city and soul in Plato’s Republic’ in E.N. Lee, ed., Exegesis and Argument (1973) [in Classics Faculty Library]

A2 ARISTOTLE
>A.W.H. Adkins, ‘The connection between Aristotle’s Ethics and Politics’, in Keyt & Miller
>J. Annas, The Morality of Happiness (1993), chs on Aristotle
>J. Barnes, ed., The Cambridge Companion to Aristotle (1995)
>* M.F. Burnyeat, ‘Aristotle on learning to be good’, in Rorty, ch. 5

Do translations of foreign literature sound like a different kind of literature altogether compared to original, normal Anglo literature because it's foreign, or simply because the translators are too autistic and suck as writers?

I've always struggled with this question

>>19371983
>I want to learn classical rhetoric
Nice to see this, most of the threads I've seen here are generally anons that want to learn those modern "rethorical" techniques that are quite poor in content.

I've imparted some classes about classical rethoric in the uni this is the best way for leraning it (I also learnt it by receiving all the information from a professor), but I think that you could reach a lot of knowledge and skill by following a series of readings and excercises. (probably I'm making a chart this weekend, thanks for the idea).

First of all, you must get introduced; reading Rhetoric by Aristotle will be an excellent resource for getting into the figure of the orator and the genres of speeches. De inventione by Cicero will be also good for that (one of his earliest works when he was just a student); the book talks about the construction of the speech, it is important to speak not knowing the exact words that you will use but knowing what are you going to say, I mean the specific order of the subjects. Then you can keep studying Cicero works, exactly: Orator, De orator and Rhetorica ad Herennium.

Second, reading ancient speeches while identifying the parts of it (basically cheking where are the thing that you will learn in the fort book I mentioned). Apreciate how they trait all the subjects along the whole transcription of what the orator said. Thereafter you can start listening to pre 1960 orators, those in my opinion were the lasts in having a good technique and inventione. If there are vids see their gesture, hand positions (for this specific topic check what Chironomy is) and posture. Always see orators that speak your native language or those foreigners that you can understand well. Pet attention to the musicality of their voices, the cadence and rhythm.

Rhetoric is the art of speaking well, you will not only learn about speeches; this art will improve your ability for talking and expressing. But always remember future rhetoranon, when speaking always say what you believe and defend, is better to say the truth than getting humillated by trying to say something that will be hard to take out from your mouth. The orator is, as Cato said, a "vir bonus peritum dicende".

Best way to learn latin? I want to read Cicero in the original. Also some later latin texts that Leibniz wrote. But for the most part, just Cicero.

No one will ever match him in eloquence and stylistic purity. Change my mind

>>15965923
>blocks your path

/lit/, I need some help. I've been trying to teach myself Latin and the methods I'm using aren't really working. I took some Latin as an undergrad and did really poorly in it; I just barely scraped by with Cs and C-s to fulfill my undergraduate language requirement. I've picked up a copy of Wheelock's Latin from my grad school's bookstore and I've been trying to go through it at my own pace, learning the grammar and memorizing it, and being sure to memorize the vocabulary. I even go through all the vocabulary from every single chapter I've covered so far multiple days a week, trying to brute force it into my mind.

But when I get to the sentences for practice translation it all falls apart, I never remember what I should remember and I don't get any translating done without looking up previous chapters. I've always been poor with languages for the entirety of my life; I did poorly with Spanish in middle school and I did poorly with German in high school. Clearly the thing I'm doing isn't working, so I'm wondering if you guys have any recommendations for alternative methods to learn Latin, or any foreign language.

I was introduced to this idea today and was wondering if any of you had done research on it. If so, which sources would you recommend?

Anyone else here self-teaching in a language? I'm working my way through Latin now. I bought a copy of Wheelock's from my university bookstore and I'm slowly but surely going through it. My plan has been to spend a week on each chapter, just to make sure I memorize all the vocabulary and grammar rules.

Do you rate him?

Cicero talks a lot about memory in De Oratore.

Which of the Greek and Roman classics did you personally enjoy reading the most?

>>8586331
Eheu!!

Brief research tells me that the "method of loci" or "memory palace" is the best technique. Most people seem to agree that visualization is the best way to remember words. Is it the best?

>>6070032
Caesar was a cunt. He helped destroy the republic and everything that made Rome great.

Anyone else here read Cicero? I'm about 3/4 of the way done with his De Inventione, which has been interesting in terms of how it lays out the fundamentals needed to form an argument. However, the whole thing has been boring as fuck and reads like a textbook for lawyers.

Where do I start with him? Is the Penguin collection worth it?