/lit/ - Literature

>Will you set down a law in the city providing as well for an art of medicine such as we described along with such an art of judging, which will care for those of your citizens who have good natures in body and soul; while as for those who haven't, they'll let die the ones whose bodies are such, and the ones whose souls have bad natures and are incurable, they themselves will kill?"
>"Well," he said, "that's the way it looked best for those who undergo it and for the city.

What the fuck was Plato's problem?

In a world of Glaucons, be a Thrasymachus

You're supposed to find everyone in this book to be retarded, facetious, or intellectually dishonest, right? I can see how reading this would be fun, but my DNA has built me to get irrationally angry at any signs of stupidity, faked or not, so I'm considering dropping this book. Only like 10-20 pages in btw.

Hi /lit/, I was told that the best place to start reading philosophy is with the Greeks. Is Plato's Republic a good place to start?

Quite simply the most retarded shit I have ever read. You would be better off reading Horia Belcea.

>inb4 noooo!!!1! You don't get it. It's an allegory bruh!!!1!
Hard cope. Be honest, you don't even believe this. It's pure, unadulterated copium.

Literally a dystopian shithole for everyone including the rulers.

>literally advocates for state-raised children

>Finish first two books.
>Well got kinda boring towards the end but maybe it picks back up
>Book 3
>Suffering

When did you realize we're living in it?

Just finished book 1, its a bit confusing but i see the points being made. Still, i feel like the points that are being made are a tad bit too generalising, so im not entirely convinced. What are your thoughts on this thing /lit/? Am i missing something so far?

Is The Republic being mistranslated or did Plato really define justice as, for lack of a better term, "division of labor"? When I think of justice, I think of law, the legal system, morality, context. Also, his logic at coming to this conclusion is so piss poor that it boggles the mind. Am I missing something? Also, the book goes on strangle tangents that have nothing to do with justice, like the final part and the section about the cave, which seems to be more about "the forms". And what the fuck do the forms have to do with his political ideas, they seem totally unrelated. Do you think Plato was mixing up his own ideas with Socrates, which explains how schizo and unrelated everything is? Or is it all somehow ties together and related? I like some of his idea of course but his logic is 100% fucked and the work is scatterbrained.

>Plato explaining common sense ideas to a strawman for 300 pages
Thanks /lit/, but I don’t think this semen slurping discipline (philosophy) is for me

Why does it make people from all across the political spectrum seethe so much? It's like democracy has become some kind of sacred cow and people lose it at the slightest criticism of it (even though it is demonstrably failing miserably).

Who the fuck would want to live in Socrates’ city?

>aristocracy > timocracy > oligarchy > democracy > tyranny
well? is he right?

Thrasymachus was right.

Am I the only one that is having a hard time getting through this because Plato appears to be advocating a lot of very evil stuff? Is it assumed he is speaking satire or not because sometimes its hard to tell.

Currently reading The Republic by Plato. Never read anything this dogshit. Socrates just weasles his way out of all criticism. I would probably give him a right smack if he wasted my time by asking me dumb questions. Are all of Plato's works like this?

I just finished this book. Gave me lots of interesting insights. This book was a suggestion I read here on /pol.

I'm looking for advice on other literary pieces to read. Any books you people recommend?

Has there ever in history been a philosopher king?

I don't get it

Is start with the Greeks just a meme ? If so where should i start with philosophy ?

it's important that you all understand that Western society is based on the fallacy-ridden ramblings of an idiot. Read this, understand that he is not joking, and understand that Plato is well and truly fucked in the head.

Every single one of his works goes like this:

SOCRATES: "Hello, I will now prove this theory!"
STRAWMAN: "Surely you are wrong!"
SOCRATES: "Nonsense. Listen, Strawman: can we agree to the following wildly presumptive statement that is at the core of my argument?" {Insert wildly presumptive statement here— this time, it's "There is such a thing as Perfect Justice" and "There is such a thing as Perfect Beauty", among others.}
STRAWMAN: "Yes, of course, that is obvious."
SOCRATES: "Good! Now that we have conveniently skipped over all of the logically-necessary debate, because my off-the-wall crazy ideas surely wouldn't stand up to any real scrutiny, let me tell you an intolerably long hypothetical story."
{Insert intolerably long hypothetical story.}
STRAWMAN: "My God, Socrates! You have completely won me over! That is brilliant! Your woefully simplistic theories should become the basis for future Western civilization! That would be great!"
SOCRATES: "Ha ha! My simple rhetorical device has duped them all! I will now go celebrate by drinking hemlock and scoring a cameo in Bill and Ted's Excellent Adventure!"

The moral of the story is: Plato is stupid