/lit/ - Literature

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I started Euclidean geometry in 8th grade and I went to a shitty inner city school that is 85+% Black and Latino. That was an advanced program, but everyone did geometry in 10th grade and it was required for the test you needed to get a high school diploma. To be fair, my state has been on the very top of the education rankings for decades, is currently the wealthiest state overall (but has plenty of poverty), and has had social democratic stuff like universal healthcare since the 2000s. It ranks with Korea and Finland at the very top of world systems taken alone despite having a fairly diverse student body (so much for muh race is everything). A big factor is probably that high poverty districts get substantially MORE funding than wealthy ones due to needs based aid.

Anyhow, I think most kids get geometry in HS if not MS.

I got my son an illustrated Euclid's elements for his first birthday and began showing him stuff with his blocks and little magnetic shape things as soon as he could learn them.

I don't think classics based education is necessarily the way to go, but teaching the philosophical aspects of math and how it applies to the sciences IS definetly under appreciated. I didn't get into math until after grad school, I only saw it as a boring requirement. It was always explained as this arbitrary system we needed for taking tests. Euclid makes it more interesting, but so do modern applications to science and showing how you can use geometry for probability puzzles.

Philosophy should be taught to all science majors but not this sort of historical treatment. This is legit what is killing the field and making it irrelevant- endless chronological slogs. Rather, I'd like science students to get one overview epistemology class and then one specialty class on their field, e.g. philosophy of biology. Just working through the Routledge guides on philosophy of physics or philosophy of social sciences would head off a lot of bad research. That and stats classes need actual work on probability theory and an explanation of the difference between frequentism, subjectivism, and propensity. Just have them read Bernoulli's Fallacy lol.

>people can get "science" PhDs without being forced to read something like pic related and something on the link between information, logic, and possibilities.