/lit/ - Literature

>>7911878
>>7911860

I see. Well I guess enjoy following the one true faith out of the thousands of different ones. I'm sure the real God will forgive you for your ignorance.

Thor is forgiving.

>>7911786
Yes, that would be ideology. I'm talking about what Jesus meant and said. Everything is just other people interpreting it and changing it.

>>7905193
On Becoming a Person by Rogers
The Art of Loving by Fromm

>>7911051
Read On Becoming a Person by Carl Rogers and you'll see what therapy can actually achieve and how.

Psychoanalysis isn't bullshit, but it can be weird, and like any intervention won't always work, but this isn't necessarily a flaw, rather the enterprise is quite complex, both science and art. Rogers client centered therapy is good stuff.

>>7911755
> Not Jesus
>said by Paul

Q.E.D

>>7911507
Verse where Jesus says this?

>>7911205
Jesus said a clergy is necessary to keep people controlled by the church? Sounds like ideology.

>>7911220

Nice try squirt.

>>7910838
>>7910810
>>7910803
>>7910784

Wew lads, you've gone too deep.

There are other studies and statitics which say the same thing. Why do you think gay teenagers have the highest suicide rate?

You've got an anachronistic and outdated worldview fellas, and I'm afraid I can't logic you out, you're gonna have to take a Leap To Faith, and have faith that youve been mad cucked by Christ.

Also, I am a Christian, just a real one.

To follow Christ entails very specific and serious actions

>sacrifice the self for others
>help the poor
>love other people as you love yourself

If you don't do all that, you aren't a follower of Christ nor a Christian.

Simple as that, everything else is ideology and semantics.

>>7910742
This is what actual Christians do, they defend the weak.

http://www.newsweek.com/american-quakers-are-running-underground-railroad-help-lgbt-ugandans-flee-258363

Fake Christians like yourself endlessly debate about your own privilege, whether gays need help or not, while people suffer. You arent followers of Christ, you're simple minded sheep.

>>7910738
You're delusional. GOP is full of religious fanatics and Americans love them.

>>7910712
https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&url=http://www.avp.org/storage/documents/ncavp_2012_hvreport_final.pdf&ved=0ahUKEwjV06Pm8obMAhUKk4MKHYYuD5AQFggbMAA&usg=AFQjCNGnPfcg4INU5BQYf99hVYx8NhkjUQ&sig2=ZWWVKu20tjUBL3Tw_0nnew

Can't copy actual url of pdf report on phone. But 5 minutes of legit reseaech will show you.

Of course, that's just America, in other countries you can be legally killed for being gay. And in certain instances it was Quakers who took them in to protect them against violence.

Irrelevant, it proves the point of inequality towards gays, you are unable to think beyond your bias.

>>7910737
That's just a lie, stop lying, it's immoral.

>>7910357
And who actually gets assualted on the street? The Christian for being Christian, or a gay couple for holding hands.

You are asleep, do some research.

>>7910351
Hardly any if you actually want to do an analysis. Almost no people in Congress or Hugh political positions, very few CEOS and business leaders as well.

Peoppe assualt and harass them in public and on the Web all the time. And these attacks usually come from Christians.

Whereas white male Christians literally make up the majority of Congress, high government levels, business leaders, CEOS, etc.

If you think otherwise you have been deluded by mainstream ideology.

Gay people just recently started to get the right to marry.

>>7910144
>>7910130

Minds too warped by myth and make believe to think logically.


Ayyy lmaoo

>>7910068
Firstly the point you raised was entirely irrelevant to what I was saying. Secondly legal protection hardly makes them the most protected group. That would be Christian white males. Gay people are routinely harrased and assualted, often by Christian white males (some of whom are closeted gays themselves).

>>7909804

>Gays are literally the most protected group in the western world,

For a second there I thought you might actually be half smart....

>>7909237
I guess I was in error on Protestants, I guess they would respond with "then what did Jesus die for?". They say good deeds are a consequence of, rather than cause of their religion.

I disagree of course.

So what if there are few quakers? And what do you mean to say about Jesuits?

How many of you actually believe the stuff you are saying, or only study it out of academic interest.

Reading this conversation has been like reading some history, nonsense, and theology in which I haven't s clue who actually believes what.

When you discuss things like the trinity, all I can think is, to what purpose do you debate myth?

And what is wrong with Protestants? Capitalist bullshit aside, at least they have the mind to know that good deeds are essential to make a good person.

Why no mention of actual god-tier Christians like the quakers who risk life and limb to protect gays? And Jesuit who actually pursue science and knowledge.

>>7906528
In many ways this is true. You can of course go further and say that many of our ills are also a result of broken communities. Modern late capitalism puts the individual or the couple as the end all be all, and that everything you need can be bought, but without tight knit families and communities, life is hard and depressing. You need help in many things, like raising kids, or taking care of the parents. Right now the kids will go to shitty day care, and old people into nursing homes where they rot. This is a social sickness, that needs to be addressed with some kind of communal system. Either a national daycare like France for example, or a strong return to a different ideology of local activism and socjal volunteerism and coho using with family. But I reckon the former is more likely.

>>7908715
Of Human Bondage is a better choice for such a crisis.

Alice Munro

Why not actually post her ideas and we can debts them.

I agree with her that pain is very central to the human experience, and a great many of our systems and practices are either attempting to reduce it, or enhance it.

>>7889578
Failing a biased test of old theorems and antiquated ways of thought. A brilliant person could be totally right and fail the test.

>>7887882
>>7887878

What if, Stoner was actually biased, and he legitimately discriminated against someone who was physically disabled, whose ideas he wouldnt even hear out. And this story is just his biased perspective, and we feel terrible for him, but he's the real monster.