/lit/ - Literature

>>4035073
>It is easily the best manifesto ever written
I can see you haven't read As we see it / As we don't see it by Solidarity (UK)

>>4034831
More like they were writing over a thousand years ago, one is a Zizekly ironist, and the other two wrote so many texts that if you're just going to read the central political texts you need a commentary.

>>4033552
Didn't know this will mention to local secty/tres next time I pay dues

>>4033655
No worries cussie bro you sweet cubt

>>4033545
My reference is priv. corr. And while I think he's a cunt I'm not suggesting he's any more, or less, than Zizek: a bourgeois supporter. See above, extensively, for why I feel this way. Chomskys dilettantism, in relation to the union, is problematic. Unlike parties unions take decades to build.

>>4033529
The IWW are a non-party union who claim universal coverage. The issue was Chomskys inability to meet the minimal meeting attendance requirements to maintain membership.

>>4033510
>All three also use a bully pulpit. People listen when they speak, people with influence, and that's a big deal, isn't it?

It doesn't hurt that Chomsky's politics support the validity of the state and disorganise US workers does it?

Ask the IWW about Chomsky.

>>4033501
>>4033502
Chomsky was hired in the 1960s.

Well before US academia was proletarianised in the late 1990s.

>>4033494
Also for that thirdworldist scum: 60 hour weeks, only 35 of those paid, no overtime.

>>4033491
Exactly. Radical is shutting down a massive research/teaching money earner. A money earner that turns labour hours into profit directly due to its low OCC, meaning that profit is directly indicative of rate of exploitation.

>>4033486
>http://www.aaup.org/about/mission-description
Doesn't have a national bargaining standard, or take pattern based industrial action.

I'm not disputing that US academics are proletarian. I'm disputing that they're militant and effective class warriors.

>>4033482
My Industry's OCC, check it.

>>4033476
Productive means "reproducing capital for sale." It is a technical term from Marx. An accountant isn't productive if they work in a financial service industry because they're not producing a commodity. An accountant in a steel mill is productive because they're an essential part of the labour process of producing steel.

>>4033466

Completely fucking wrong:

>Writing books doesn't create wealth. It's what Marx calls non-productive labor. Most of the first world population engages in non-productive labor. Without the mostly industrial labor of the productive sector, the non-productive sector cannot exist, and thus does not create wealth.(Wealth is material; non-productive labor can certainly multiply capital, but its not the source)
>Exploitation in Marxist terminology is a technical term, the rate of exploitation in the first world varies a little across sectors but is generally just slightly above, at, or sometimes even below their wages, as it would most certainly be with a petty bourgeois academic. Non labor aristocratic proletarians, mostly stationed in the global periphery, are super-exploited to compensate for the lack of exploitation in the first world.

1) Any act of labour is productive or non productive based solely on if it reproduces capital. Writing may or may not be productive. Journalists, for example, by expanding capital, are productive.

Most of the first world are still productive labourers. I suggest you reread Volume 1 on what productive labour is.

>mostly industrial
You mistyped service

>Wealth is material
No it isn't. Value is _embodied_ materially but value itself is the circuit (See Volume II).

>3rd worldism
a shit

The rate of profit at my employer is 25%. And I work in a service industry.

>>4033460
They're local compared to NTEU (Australia) which runs 50+ sites and has 20 years of systematic enterprise bargaining locking down wages and conditions.

And Australia's academics aren't nearly militant enough.

>>4033462
2nd or 3rd biggest export industry.

>>4033454
You do realise that value circulates in China?

1/10, "Hurr I was being stupid on purpose"

>>4033448
Academics are in factories in the advanced West, yes. They are being exploited. But their production of knowledge for the employer, isn't the production of praxical knowledge.

Academics aren't very organised as workers except in the UK, Au and NZ. And even there they keep trying to make intellectual arguments to bosses instead of power/knowledge acts (like striking, or work to rule, etc).

>>4033436
Yes! But they teach ideology in capitalism! And as we found midway through, postmodernism was cultivated by the bourgeoisie to disorganise the working class.

>>4033429
Read Kollontai's _Red Love_. ITS AWWWWWRITE BABY.

Notice how people from /lit/ are citing texts to back their claims or otherwise directly discussing texts?

Notice how the discussion of the attack on bourgeois intelligentsia directly relates to the topic, whereas discussion of getting pussy doesn't?

Why not read something like The Game and then start a thread on that work?

>>4033422
>Otherwise you are just advocating what you have come to understand will come to take place.

That and self-interest, as I'm a beneficiary of socialism. To claim that self-interest is normative is interesting. But normative claims don't need to be just now do they?

>In the same vein, after the fall of capitalism, assuming Marx's theory is correct, wouldn't it be necessary for the worker to have a background in moral (and to a larger extent complete) education, much in the way that in a democracy efficient government depends on educated citizens?

Such would be a requirement as it is now. I leave things out of my expertise to experts.

> Therefore is it not of vital importance for a Marxist to also not only have the notion of justice, but also to recognize moral truths?
Not to advocate the inevitable. Why wouldn't I let moral philosophers philosophise, and teachers teach, and nurses nurse? Is there a particular Marxist theory of nursing other than to observe that social constructions based on economic relations prescribe all cultural relations?

>>4033421
>>4033421
>3. Do not post the following outside of /b/: off-topic replies

>>4033410
No, it is a rule 3 and rule 6 violation.

>>4033401
Do not pity them, for they are the future. Each one of them has probably stolen more than $40000 of data.

>>4033276
You want a text? Pink and Black (2010) http://libcom.org/library/identity-politics-anti-politics-critical-perspective