/lit/ - Literature

>>17582743
Why don't we take a brief moment to toast to our erudition, anon? Prosit. As the proverb goes:
>Alkohol, Alkohol! Du bist mein Feind: das weiß ich wohl. Doch in der Bibel steht geschrieben, man sollte seine Feinde lieben.

>>17582743
I haven't read it, I'm afraid to say. In my experience, many Anglophone readers were first introduced to Chinese poetry via Pound, so I just thought I would ask.

>>17582548
this actually good. Pound is obviously a major influence, but at least you have the decency to admit it. Bump.

>>17582712
I can teach you Greek and Latin (and German for that matter) for a reasonable price. I politely revoke the pseud comment.

>>17582714
Unfathomably superior. What a pseud loser.

>>17582615
I see. Da operam, ut totus valeas, tum corpore, tum animo and in these strange times λάθε βιώσας. Did Pound pique your interest in the Chinaman or did you discover it yourself?

>>17582579
Good evening. You didn't respond to my question in a previous thread, so I will pester you with it again.
>Salve etiam atque etiam litterarum decus -- in primus sint 99 examinati. Quomodo se res habent tuæ? Te rogo, quare Nasonem, quem, ut ait vir disertissmus Quintillianus, præstare poterit si ingenio suo imperare quam indulgere maluisset, plurimi æstimes aliosque poetas malis. Si me diligas, quæstionem hanc tractabis diligenter...

Prove you're not a pseud and answer me.

>>17582539
Astute observation. Are you a classicist as well?

>>17582374
Bloom is "Oh look, I'm an American Jew so I must be smart" tier garbage. Read Stephen Hinds instead.

>>17582211
Then you ought to appreciate the Apocolocyntosis Divi Claudii (Pumpkinification of the Divine Claudius) of Seneca. The only serious extant Latin work of Menippean satire.

>>17582306
YIKES. This is a thread about Latin, not Spanish.

>>17582276
Wow, what a shit recommendation. Also I already mentioned that all questions on this thread should be directed to me, not to unwelcome interlopers like you. YIKES.

>>17582109
Scaliger found him obtuse, but I find him more humane than Juvenal, who always has a foul word for his neighbor, but never for himself. Horace remains the most true and humane of all and you will come to love him more with age.

>>17582034
Learn a modern Romance language on the side, preferably Italian. Otherwise, keep a vocabulary notebook. Sit in a quiet room and write each new word at least three times. And yes, I know Greek very well, actually wrote my thesis on the reception of Pindar's epinikia in Quattrocento Neo-Latin poetry. I translate jokes into Greek for fun because I am very based. Here's an excellent example:

Ἕλλην καὶ Ῥωμαῖος τις τυγχάνουσιν ὄντες ἐν ἀγορᾷ ἤρχοντο διαλεγόμενοι περὶ τοῦ ἔρωτος:
>Φέρε δέ, ἔφη ὁ Ἕλλην, παρ ἡμῖν ἐγένετο μὲν πρῶτον ὁ ἔρος: δηλονότι ταῦτα ἐστιν.
>ἦν δ' ὁ Ῥωμαῖος: ὀρθῶς λέγεις, ὦ βέλτιστε, ἀλλὰ ἡμεῖς τὸν ἔρωτα πρῶτον καὶ τὰς γυναῖκας ἐπαιδεύσαμεν.

>>17582024
Read Francesco Filelfo's Satyræ. The erudtion of Persius and the mordant wit of Juvenal.

>>17581855
Also I now claim ownership of this thread. Any further questions should be directed to me, as I am very based. Vobis gratias ago, discipuli! -- et disciplis meis multum est discendum!

>>17580317
Salve, amici. Based Chad philologist here. I would recommend drilling paradigms for noun declensions and learning all verb types eodem modo. Function and form of the subjective can be acquired by the same way. Start with elementary reading (Latin New Testament), slowly progressing towards Cicero (Pro Roscio Amerino, In Catilinam, Pro Archia Poeta). Only then should you attempt poetry, perhaps starting with Ovid (Metamorphoses) and then moving on to Vergil (try the 4th Eclogue -- it's not representative of the genre, but the language isn't terribly difficult and its literary significance is far-reaching), afterwards the Aeneis, Lucan and Lucretius. Spero, ut tibi bene vertat atque faveant superi tuis conatibus. Vale.

>>17580322
Salve. Tibi est discenda lingua latina.

>>17579799
Salve etiam atque etiam litterarum decus -- in primus sunt 99 examinati. Quomodo se res habent tuæ? Te rogo, quare Nasonem, quem, ut ait vir disertissmus Quintillianus, præstare poterit si ingenio suo imperare quam indulgere maluisset, plurimi æstimes aliosque poetas malis. Si me diligas, quæstionem hanc tractabis diligenter. Faveant superi tuis conatibus. Vale.

>>17579058
Utrum Pindarus an Horatius sit poeta melior quæris, o ἀνώνυμε? Nos quidem tibi respondebimus: Cur non crederemus numeris hujus nostri poetæ?
>Pindarum quisquis studet aemulari,
>Iulle, ceratis ope Daedalea
>nititur pinnis, uitreo daturus
>nomina ponto.

>>17578668
>Κλεοβούλου μὲν ἔγωγ' ἐρέω,
>Κλεοβούλῳ δ' ἐπιμαίνομαι,
>Κλεόβουλον δὲ διοσκέω.

Based Anacreon poster

>>17577713
Thanks, never heard of it before

>>17577440
Yes. It's intended mainly for classicists, but all Greek and Latin texts are also translated into English for the curious reader. Hinds is a pleasure to read and far more serious a scholar than Bloom.

>>17577418
Addendum: a much more concise and well-written explication of this principle is found in Stephen Hind's "Allusion and Intertext: Dynamics of Appropriation in Roman Poetry". Read the sections "Old Poets/New Poets". BTFO's windbag Bloom.