/lit/ - Literature

>>12295753
dude just compare forbes 500 list form 1980 with today, please adjust for inflation and boom, less then 50 stayed.

>>12295731
>question to capitalists: what exactly do shareholders, trust fund babies and people who life off of rent and interest in general add to the economy? What would happen if these people, who take the overwelming majority of the wealth generated by capital, would one day dissappear?

easy answer they bring their Willingness to take risks with them.

>>12295711
If risk is just a meme then please go and start a business. I would like to see how you fall the the power of >just a meme.

>>12295711
The list is huge. Just google it and you will be fine.

>>12295689
I dont belive in God i belive in the individual.
I dont really like Foucault and all of them postmodern philosophers, because they habe this neo marxist view on things.

But I would really like to talk more with you.

>>12295645
See you got 2 things worng here buddy.

1.When you corporation is treating you like shit and they dont have a monopoly then you can just go to the commpetion. In a good state the worker has free choice over his workspace in his field of ability.

2.
> without anyone else profiting unfairly off his labor
what is unfairly ?
If I own a car factory and my 10 worker create 10 cars per our and i cann sell them for 200 each and i give all of my worker 100 dollar a hour and take the other 1000 an hour for me and the business is this unfair ?

Wouldnt this be fair, because I take the risk that the business fails and I will still keep paying my worker 100 an hour even if I have to sell my cars for 150 or less they still have the sameamout of money they get.

The Profits go to the people who own the means of production, because they have all the risk on them.

my poo poo hole oorts

>>12295641
okay I can get behind that, because what I have seen is that some self proclaimed Marxists criticize communism harder then a lot of fReEmArKeT capitalist.

>>12295624
I am not arguing agianst social systems.
I am arguing agianst Marxism as a whole.

>>12295611
relativism is what created this problem in the first place, cant you see ???

If your saying there is no objectiv truth then there cant be and objectiv value to actions.

That would mean I could kill you and it would not be good or evil.

>>12295573
>are you joking right now or are you really this oblivious?
not joking or would you say working for a state that doesnt give a fuck about you is good ?

>>12295548
It is an evil act to kill for the gain of one self.
The lion just needs to kill to survive ( to stay at 0 ).

If you would kill someone to survive, because you have nothing to eat it wouldnt be evil.
If you were to kill a man for his watch, you would be considered evil.

>>12295554
Nah my background is from SriLanka and Sierra Leone I know how shitty some people have it.
The thing is those people have ot shitty, because they have shitty goverments which take advantage over the people.

Sri Lanka for example took a loan form China, they build a new port, but couldnt pay back the loan. China in all its mercy didint charge them anymore and relift them from all their debt in exchange of the port until 2099.

Marx Ideas would have been great in 1600 when their still was feudalism and stuff, but in our times you need to earn things.

>>12295529
I am not criticising Marxism based on any historical events, more on a moral way. It is just evil to strip a man of his Identity and make him work for the state/community/what ever.

But I like this idea
>The fatal assumption is that even if Marx is right in the long haul about capitalism, it doesn't have to end in the ways he prescribed. It could end because the mode of production has become so advanced money and ownership of the means of production doesn't matter like it used to.

anyway out of all posts that were made today this one was one of the better ones.

>>12295516
Yeah but the difference is that Marx thinks that the "capitalist" stole the labour of the worker and Smith thinks that the "master" should be rewarded for his doings.

I could go deeper into that the profit that the capitalist makes is his reward for the risk he took, but I dont know if you want to hear this....

>>12295497
But you have achieved objectiv truth already.

I think we can find common ground here
>existence exists

please tell me if you would agree with this objectiv truth

>>12295476
And do you have anything productiv to say ?
It would be pretty hypocritical if you just called people out for not saying something usefull, but you also didnt say anything usefull.

I dont know if you can understand my point.

>>12295461
What you are saying is a contradiction in it self. If something like obejctiv truth doesnt exist, its and objectiv truth that objectiv truth doesnt exist.

Doublethink~

>>12295431
You are just saying "oh look you arent right", but you are not showing facts that I am not right or any kind of prove.

>>12295414
Then explain, just caling me out for not understanding wont change a thing.

>>12295426
Would your mind showing me "your" truth ?

>>12295409
It is also evil for the marxist. The only differnce being that I can see the evil in his actions and he cant, because he doesnt understands what evil really is.

>>12295375
I have read Marx in the original language ( german ) and I came to the conclusion that Marxism would only work if you had Robots and no human being that could do something that is irrational.

Still there are some ideas that are intresting, but the ideologie is inherently evil, because it aims at destroying the individual.

>>12295355
"things are never good or evil, everything is relativ"- school indoctrinated prick or pseudo philosophers