/lit/ - Literature

>>16751823
That is exactly it. I always find the bible as well as the Quran as a kind of poem, and when you unlock its true meaning, you no longer need the dualistic notions of heaven and hell. Its designed to gently introduce you to the Dao

>>16751803
>>16751791
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>>16751768

The Tao that can be embraced is not the eternal and enduring Tao. But it is, it just is in a different way.

You can embrace the Tao, you can embracy many Taos and in doing so you embrace THE Tao.

>>16751438
Now now, did you expect to find wisdom without idiocy to contrast? Be gratful for the gift of differentiation our friends show.

>>16751106
https://terebess.hu/english/tao/Zhuangzi-Burton-Watson.pdf

>>16751077
See i don't take inner alchemy in this literal way. Like in your poem your protagonist read his future in a pile of his piss, shit, vomit, bile, semen and hair. For me this rings incredibly true and in there lies insight in how to prolong life.

It is the same insight as anatman or non-soul. How do you prolong a clay statuette? You replace the clay.

>>16748854
Dao De Jing 41

Scholars of the highest class, when they hear about the Dao, earnestly carry it into practice. Scholars of the middle class, when they have heard about it, seem now to keep it and now to lose it. Scholars of the lowest class, when they have heard about it, laugh greatly at it. If it were not (thus) laughed at, it would not be fit to be the Dao.
Therefore the sentence-makers have thus expressed themselves:
'The Dao, when brightest seen, seems light to lack;
Who progress in it makes, seems drawing back;
Its even way is like a rugged track.
Its highest virtue from the vale doth rise;
Its greatest beauty seems to offend the eyes;
And he has most whose lot the least supplies.
Its firmest virtue seems but poor and low;
Its solid truth seems change to undergo;
Its largest square doth yet no corner show
A vessel great, it is the slowest made;
Loud is its sound, but never word it said;
A semblance great, the shadow of a shade.'

The Dao is hidden, and has no name; but it is the Dao which is skilful at imparting (to all things what they need) and making them complete.

>>16748897
Ba Se Do

>>16749113
>equating the French revolution too communism
The paris commune was a short lived experiment swallowed up by the forces of production and distribution

The fact that socialism is popular is not disputed, more than a billion people live under its leadership, this does not change the fact that its inefficient and unable to sustain itself in a dialectical environment.

Think about it this way: You are a prole in french city in the year 2000, You and your fellow anarkiddy neighbours decide to become anarchists. So you abolish ownership and make managment democratic or turn taking.

What happens when the capitalists on the other side of the hill decide too embargo/surround/slowly pay off your little experiment and do so with their immense resources and capital combined with state power?

Here MLs have a concrete strategy, and it involves uncle kalashnikov and Uranium isotopes.

I dont know if any of this made sense, its late and im tired.

>>16748998
Yes state socialism is a failure, as opposed to anarchism. You know all those anarchists around posing a threat to capitalism. When will you eat the succ-pill?

>>16745855
Marxism:
>Some people own shit others need to survivre thus democracy and liberalism is a fake, real power lies in property, thus property should be overthrown

Leninism:
>european industrial workers no longer fill the box of (nothing to lose, everything to gain) Thus the russian peasantry will be the revolutionary subjects

Maoism:
>Russian industrial workers no longer fall into the box of (nothing to lose, everything to gain) Thus the third world peasantry (led by China) will provide the revolutionary subjects

Dengism:
>Chinese industrial workers no longer fall into the box of (nothing to lose, everything to gain) so why be socialist anyway, central comitte or private entrepreneurs who cares whatever catches mice LMAO

>>16742164
No no, planned economy is over. Chinese style command economy or Swedish style corporatist economy is the future. As long as it catches mice, who cares?

>>16737226
>tell me how it is King.
You are.

>>16737144
Thanks king, the Tao is truly boundless.

>>16737063
You seem like a real textual Chad, no i have not. I have only studied the Dao De Jing, the Zuangzi The Mumonkan and the Blue Cliff Record. Most of my practice is internal.

>>16737069
I am a China-man not a chinaman

>>16736228
I am a China-man not an India-man but the Bhagavad Gita passage about the three gunas may be relevant?

https://www.holy-bhagavad-gita.org/chapter/14

>>16733764
yeah, i noticed aswell...

>>16731981
I dont mind a good conservative or even an NRX if theyre thoughtful and intelligent, but:

>cuck, seethe, tranny dialate XDDDDD cope *vague intuitive porn addict observation about women or immigrants with no substans and no literate sources

>DA JOOOOOOOOS

>>16730465
Yes but the alt-right needs to leave.

>>16722345
A koan for youuu

達磨面壁。

Bodhidharma sat facing the wall.

二祖立雪。

The Second Patriarch stood in the snow.

斷臂云、弟子心未安、乞師安心。

He cut off his arm and presented it to Bodhidharma, crying, "My mind has no peace as yet! I beg you, master, please pacify my mind!"

磨云、將心來爲汝安。

"Bring your mind here and I will pacify it for you," replied Bodhidharma.

祖云、覓心了不可得。

"I have searched for my mind, and I cannot take hold of it," said the Second Patriarch.

磨云、爲汝安心竟。

"Now your mind is pacified," said Bodhidharma.
Mumon's Comment

無門曰、□齒老胡、十万里航海特特而來。

The broken-toothed old Hindu came so importantly, thousands of miles over the sea.

可謂是無風起浪。

This was raising waves where there was no wind.

末後接得一箇門人、又却六根不具。

In his last years he induced enlightenment in his disciple, who, to make matters worse, was defective in the six roots.

□。謝三郎不識四字。

Why, Shasanro did not know for ideographs.
Mumon's Verse 頌曰

西來直指 Coming east, directly pointing,

事因囑起 You entrusted the Dharma, and trouble arose;

撓聒叢林 The clamor of the monasteries

元來是□ Is all because of you.

>>16719280
There is a C you know.

>>16717677
The Mumonkan
The Dao De Jing
The Book of Serenity
Alan Watts - Way of Zen, Watercourse way.

>>16718706
people fight and debate about stuff and then things get better.

>>16715185
>Do you assert it's true for all men, though?
No, i would never do that. When out camping in the woods watch for wolves. Most campers are usually fine. Either way being too careful can be an impediment to your life, do not be too attached to life or you will miss it. in other words YOLO

>because I try to get at truth through reasoning
Long as youre having fun :3 Just do not mistake the map for the terrain.

Also here is a zen story for you, since i will go to bed now.

A man traveling across a field encountered a tiger. He fled, the tiger after him. Coming to a precipice, he caught hold of the root of a wild vine and swung himself down over the edge. The tiger sniffed at him from above. Trembling, the man looked down to where, far below, another tiger was waiting to eat him. Only the vine sustained him. Two mice, one white and one black, little by little started to gnaw away at the vine. The man saw a luscious strawberry near him. Grasping the vine with one hand, he plucked the strawberry with the other. How sweet it tasted!

>>16715050
>Does taoism do away with altruism?
also a personal tip on this note; devotion is a very useful tool of inner balance.

There is a reason AA considers surrendering to a higher power the second of the 12 steps

What you worship could be anything, but it has to be worthy. It could be the noble eightfold path or the four stoic virtues or maybe something you yourself cooks up.

>>16715050
>Well if you're skeptical towards morality I guess it indeed makes no sense to discuss if particular things can be morally justified

I might personally be moral, but i recognize that it is impermanent as all things are. In constant flux.
In the Dao De Jing at one point Lao Tzu dissuades any becoming emperor from delighting in violence because "someone who delights in violence cannot have his way in the kingdom" Although Lao Tzu is often read as a very kind humble and compassionate man, he is certainly not a moralist.

>I don't think that would make one accept suffering as much as conclude there is no other way than to do what's most pleasant for oneself.

I agree with you here, although being a hedonist might not be as easy as you may think, although god bless you if you choose that route. Living for desire is often considered to take you into the hell realms in eastern mysticism. (darkness, pain, confusion)

If by living in a way that is the most pleasant means enjoying the small things in life, staying out of trouble and following moral law (do unto others as you would have done unto you) then yes. Also dont worry too much about death and suffering, what use is that worry? People fret so much over their survival, as far as i know no one has succeeded.

>but I don't think Buddhism asks one to become one with the whole, rather to negate it and go in some state beyond being.

Then your reading of buddhism is different from mine. I am not a buddhist though, i am a Daoist.

>Do you take it as saying that the mere anticipation of an answer can be enough to get it?
Not quite, if you were to present the "total function" the full process which is all encompassing to someone. How would you best do it? Would you try to catalogue the whole thing? Of course it is eternally impermanent, when youve painted a river it is a different river.

The buddha showed the man the total function with perfect subtlety.

>>16714936
I wouldnt necessarily say life is good or bad, life is simply suchness. It just is, bro.

Also i wouldnt say enlightened people say it is justified, Siddharta was practically an anti-natalist and of course the first noble truth of buddhism is that life is suffering or "There is suffering"

Heres a koan for you;
世尊、因外道問、不問有言、不問無言。

A non-Buddhist philosopher said to the Buddha, "I do not ask for words; I don not ask for non-words."

世尊據座。

The Buddha just sat there.

外道贊歎云、世尊大慈大悲、開我迷雲令我得入。

The philosopher said admiringly, "The World-honored One, with his great mercy, has blown away the clouds of my illusion and enabled me to enter the Way."

乃具禮而去。

And after making bows, he took his leave.

阿難尋問佛、外道有何所證贊歎而去。

Then Ananda asked the Buddha, "What did he realize, to admire you so much?"

世尊云、如世良馬見鞭影而行。

The World-honored One replied, "A fine horse runs even at the shadow of the whip."