/lit/ - Literature

>>16803588
I have something for you, its called a zen walk. Its when you go out for a walk, and instead of planning a route or a destination, you pick a color, say yellow. And then you follow yellow where it takes you. You see a yellow streetsign and you turn into the street it was on, you see a yellow car and you turn into the alley of the side of the curb the car was on.

The purpose is to make the walk challenging and engaging.

>>16805857
Forgot pic

>>16805548
No schoppy, existence is impermanence, dissatisfaction and nonself. And your philosophy is an accelerator of dissatisfaction.

>>16783623
How very German of you...

>>16781869
Fried rraech Neet Cha

>>16781816
The noble eightfold path, worked for me atleast.

>>16777781
>>16777608
A quick Koan

Case 54 Zuigans popcorn 十二 巖喚主人
瑞巖彦和尚、毎日自喚主人公、復自應諾。

Zuigan Gen Oshõ told his young monk, "eat of my popcorn"

乃云、惺惺着。□。

His young monk protested, "i wish not to be distracted from the film" but Zuigan insisted.

他時異日、莫受人瞞。□□。

Digging in the popcorn in his masters lap, suddenly the young monk jumped in his seat, "now you have felt the tip of zen"

>>16773006
Är du förvirrad min vän?

>>16770192
Yes, getting rid of Keynsian economics, lowering top marginal tax rates from 90%, demolishing unions in the name of idealisms like "trickle down economics" really Fed America up. I am glad Sowell agrees.

>>16765778
Är det där sundsvall? Byt med mig, jag bor i en sunkig Stockholmsförort.

>>16767121
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4ml_V7HNIsY

Let me tell you there skeeter, that there is a fine post.

>>16753537
Taoism is non-dualistic.

The one gives rise to (the idea of) the other. It is not a fact of life, but a fact of mind, which in turn is life. Like a rectangle is a square. If you pay close attention, you will find that one opposite always contain (the idea of) the other.

>>16753503
This is all true. Religion in China is very varied and historically Daoists were often appointed to mediate between different chinese religions. And it is things like Feng Shui and the I-ching which gave way for the more contemplative Daoism to materialize.

>>16753455
>If so what does a man that acts upon the law of the dao do?

Think of it like this, a sailor would do well to understand the way of the wind, but this is not to dictate to him any destination.

>>16753304
Well the Buddha is one with the universe, an all being perfectly aligned with the way of the world. There is no space large enough for his body, no container small enough for his spirit. Who wouldnt want to experience this?

>>16753237
>https://www.sacred-texts.com/bud/zen/mumonkan.htm

Fixed link

>>16753161
what would it then mean to act "not according to the dao"?

This very question is the first koan of the Mumonkan (the gateless gate) And it is the gateless gate itself.

Now before you read it a primer, in Zen Buddhism all things are Buddha, a rock, a dog or a person. Yet becoming enlightened, or awakened is very sought after, becoming Buddha in other words.

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趙州和尚、因僧問、狗子還有佛性也無。州云、無。

A monk asked Jõshû, "Has a dog the Buddha Nature?" Jõshû answered, "Mu."

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Mu means "has not" or "no"

Here is the full koan with commentary and verse;

https://www.sacred-texts.com/bud/zen/mumonkan.html

>>16753198
The rainfall eventually finds itself in the ocean. Yes all chinese philosophy is interrelated. Even Daoism is tremendously diverse.

>>16752999
>is the dao a related concept to the brahman or buddhistic non-self?

It is very related to Brahman, if by non self you mean anatman, then yes, It is part of Daoism aswell, along with impermanence and all that jazz.

generally speaking though, Daoists are less moralistic and more fun-loving than Buddhists though.

Here is what the Dao is:

Dao De Jing 25

There was something undefined and complete, coming into existence before Heaven and Earth. How still it was and formless, standing alone, and undergoing no change, reaching everywhere and in no danger (of being exhausted)! It may be regarded as the Mother of all things.
I do not know its name, and I give it the designation of the Dao (the Way or Course). Making an effort (further) to give it a name I call it The Great.
Great, it passes on (in constant flow). Passing on, it becomes remote. Having become remote, it returns. Therefore the Dao is great; Heaven is great; Earth is great; and the (sage) king is also great. In the universe there are four that are great, and the (sage) king is one of them.
Man takes his law from the Earth; the Earth takes its law from Heaven; Heaven takes its law from the Dao. The law of the Dao is its being what it is.

Also remember; You can split the wave into many parts, but it remains one single process.

>>16752912
>dao is admission of the morals that be
No this is not Dao, that is Confuscian moralism. The Dao is a harmony yes, just as the sharks keep harmony in the ocean.

>>16752938
The Dao is human and inhuman, it evades any such greed. It is completely amoral yes, but it is also all morality. It lacks all kindness but it is kindness itself.

>>16752841
Yes i like this one aswell, in my version the comment goes something like;

Ummon was lose in his later years, he let spill the spill the family secrets. Thus the decline of Buddhism was forshadowed.

I like too think of Buddha as a shit machine. We shove food down his mouth and then it passes through him as shit on the other end.

>>16752608
>heard the name before but no. I am unaware. why do you bring this up?
Because the biggest Daoist movement in China is being actively surpressed by the CCP. The CCP is Confuscianism squared.

>you are not western?
Yes but im not well educated.

>well, if we want to be those masters we want to actually hold the full of the dao and not "lose it" again. Therefore it should be that acting rational should be part of it, even if one recognizes that rationality is only limited to its field, and that where it starts failing is part of being rational; not being rational msut become also being rational in the sense that rationality is not everything. But denying acting rational or wanting to act rational because of that, is denying an integral aspect of being human, of the world.

A koan for you;

南泉、因趙州問、如何是道。

Jõshû asked Nansen, "What is the Way?"

泉云、平常心是道。

"Ordinary mind is the Way," Nansen replied.

州云、還可趣向否。

"Shall I try to seek after it?" Jõshû asked.

泉云、擬向即乖。

"If you try for it, you will become separated from it," responded Nansen.

州云、不擬爭知是道。

"How can I know the Way unless I try for it?" persisted Jõshû.

泉云、道不屬知、不屬不知。

Nansen said, "The Way is not a matter of knowing or not knowing.

知是妄覺、不知是無記。

Knowing is delusion; not knowing is confusion.

若眞達不擬之道、猶如太虚廓然洞豁。

When you have really reached the true Way beyond doubt, you will find it as vast and boundless as outer space.

豈可強是非也。

How can it be talked about on the level of right and wrong?"

州於言下頓悟。

With these words, Jõshû came to a sudden realization.
Mumon's Comment

無門曰、南泉被趙州發問、直得瓦解氷消、分疎不下。

Nansen dissolved and melted away before Jõshû's question, and could not offer a plausible explanation.

趙州縱饒悟去、更參三十年始得。

Even though Jõshû comes to a realization, he must delve into it for another thirty years before he can fully understand it.
Mumon's Verse 頌曰

春有百花秋有月 The spring flowers, the autumn moon;

夏有涼風冬有雪 Summer breezes, winter snow.

若無閑事挂心頭 If useless things do not clutter your mind,

更是人間好時節 You have the best days of your life.

>>16752432
>Once again, I would not ever embrace an actively anti-rational, anti-intellectual tradition.
It is your perogative, the joke is on us both eventually.

>I have only met one daoist who would claim similar. His rejections of Kant, Hegel, Logicians wasn't on the basis of their work but that they were fundamentally not daoists and therefore their works couldn't be right.(But such thinking leading only to random appreciation such as Goethe, then Wittgenstein and then Plato is also not the best). The Daoist of today is a CCP party official.

No i am not like that, i just exalted Christianity earlier, i happen to not know much about western philosophy, so it is an enigma to me. Also are you unaware of Falun Gong and the CCPs eternal struggle with them? I dont support any cult but.

>>16752287
>You "fall out" of the Dao, you lose it just as much as I do.
A good musician does not stop stop the song because of one missed note, it gets drowned within the genius of the whole.

Do not forget that both Nietzche AND Schopenhauer were deeply influenced by Buddhism.

>>16751933
When will you have your fill of knowing? When will you understand the intricacies of forklift construction and how it relates to the politics of modern neoliberal politics and post-modernism Will that be enough? Or do you need to figure out asphalt laying and sonar technology?

Can i ask you where your knowledge resides? in your room in front of your monitor, where is past and future and all your notions about them?