/lit/ - Literature

Call me curious, but I just wonder why are posts like >>20774928 not removed, yet my completely valid, on-topic, non-trolling post was removed?

>>20781814
>>20781644
>>20775878

The following are works of Brando Sando that can be considered worth reading. But one must keep in mind everything he writes is YA so this is recommended for "beginners."
>Mistborn (Only the first trilogy)
>Stormlight Archive (AT MOST FIRST TWO BOOKS, but mostly only the firsty)
>The Emperor's Soul (The only work of any actual literary merit by Mr. Sanderson)

Mock me all you want, but some of Sanderson's work is decent for getting to know fantasy but are his works by no means "great" like the ones by Herbert, Tolkien, Wolfe, or Bakker.

made you look

>>20781557
You are supposed to writer your first draft that way. Just write it through. Edit later.

>>20781087
Yes, and no. You can try to finish all the books why the A and S tier authors. Then you are on your own.

I heard some people were looking for recommendations.

>>20770998
So you judge a thought by the person who wrote it rather than by the contents of that thought? If this is the best bakker-haters can come up with, I don't know what is the worst. Surely you realize the purpose of that epigraph was merely to make mockery of the fact that most people hold themselves higher than their kin. Show me any respectable fantasy author who does not convey any philosophical ideas.

>>20770967
It is from Prince of Nothing trilogy, one of the epigraphs. Thought it suited my post very well. Also I'd like to point out any philosophical thought, sentence, or notion is still always written or thought by someone and those people themselves wrote of thought that and such I could go to Socrates and say that his thoughts on the beauty of philosophy are just made up shit my him.

And because the thing was actually written by R. Scott Bakker, and not me, it was not self-fellating.

>>20770879
>Here we find further argument for Gotagga’s supposition that the world is round. How else could all men stand higher than their brothers?
—AJENCIS, DISCOURSE ON WAR

When you are in a verbal argument with someone else and try to convince them, do you not try to talk like you know better? Because that's how people think.

>>20770898
>War doesn't rewards skill
That is your interpretation of that, and like any builder strawmen, you then attack your interpretation as if was someone else's. Not only that, but it is a single sentence taken from a broader quote which is connected to this one statement. The point Cnaiur is making her is that the Inrithi, and in larger scale, everyone else who is not Scylvendi (or Dunyain) romanticizes war, gives is meanings and traits which do not belong to it.

>>20770905
ad hominem

I should clear out some misconceptions here. The image in >>20769509 has, in fact, two excerpts. While they are from the same chapter, they are not from same scene and such it might be misleading to read first page and then the second right after. I did not want to include whole chapter as it would have been a big picture, rather I wanted to show the the way Cnaiur talks without revealing any major plot points.

When any piece of text is posted in /sffg/, without exception, they have always been ridiculed based on subjective opinions. And as mere opinions any statements can be disregarded, unless you are looking for anonymous opinions. But we are not looking for mere opinions and statements, we are looking to have more comprehensible understanding of a writer's prose (and style). Instead on focusing here on someone's opinion as a final assessment based on observations, I will rather concentrate on these base observations.

>>20770708
No base observation, mere opinion, and likely from someone who disliked Bakker before the image was posted.

>>20770726
I think it weird to judge a book based on a novel's character's opinions. It might be different than you in this but I can read books where characters have differing opinions were they "stupid" in my opinion or not. I'll let the pseud thing slide as it doesn't mean anything and is also just an opinion.

>>20770733
Its funny you should say that because it literally is a madman raving to these Inrithi lords, who are themselves very much tied into a politico-religious holy war. Again, it is not a valid argument in my opinion to say something about someone's writings because you don't agree with the characters. Why shouldn't books have raving madmen or zealots? I'm sorry if it was incomprehensible for you. May I suggest Mistborn for you?

>>20770769
When people talk to each other, the way they talk is very much stream of consciousness. You'd know this if you ever did any writing. Also it is baseless to say the whole book or Bakker himself is something because Cnaiur is like himself.

>>20770773
I think this is a subjective opinion. See other responds above. The Scylvendi have one religion, and its war. And Cnaiur merely states his beliefs. I'm sorry a fantasy character doesn't agree with you.

>>20770783
See first paragraph of this post.

>>20770809
All hyper-masculine socities are nazis then?

>>20770824
How deep you'd think a barbarian expresses his philosophy in a heated argument?

To sum it up: No one here has been able to provide any objective statements about his prose. All is just ramblings of Bakker-haters.

>>20770171
This one?

>>20770177
I will never read NotW.

>>20769934
From left to right yes, I see it also
>R. Scott Bakker, best known for his Prince of Nothing trilogy
>Gene Wolfe, best known for the Book of the New Sun
>Frank Herbert, best known for the Dune series
>Tolkien, who wrote the Lord of the Rings

>>20769859
Your last mistake, but alas, there is a solution!

Another excerpt from Prince of Nothing. From the earlier piece of >>20769509 we saw Bakker can write riveting dialogue and from this picture we can see he writes amazing battle scenes.

>>20768073
Ahh, another unimaginative OP with no prompt question and we don't even have the comprehensive list of good links anymore.

>>20769006
The quote, of course as we all know it, is from the very beginning of the prologue and such, and especially in the case of this particular book The Darkness That Comes Before, it is quite cryptic at first as you are introduced to bunch of new names of characters and places which can be daunting to many people but the thing is with these less explicit fantasy books that you don't have to remember every name and every place and you'll eventually learn them anyways as you read more and more of the book.

My point is, there are excerpts of his books that are more approachable and perhaps more interesting to those who are reading snippets of the books for the first time. In my opinion, places where Cnaiur is shitting on Inrithi lords are some of the more enjoyable parts. I just love the character of Cnaiur, a completely broken man because of his past, yet as a barbarian he is extremely intelligent when it comes to the matters of war. A man who will never find peace.

>>20766748
Sorry, but the chart is perfect as it shows the collective subjective opinion of the /sffg/.

>>20766245
>>20766236
I have read and thoroughly enjoyed both Bakker's and Peake's works. Their books are in fact complementary and I invite anyone who has read either of those works to try the other one's.

Someone was asking for book recs? Don't worry I've got you covered!

>>20751264
One might merely wonder why certain type of spam is not deleted while another isn't. I'm not saying there is any preferential treatment but sometimes it feels like it, I'm not sure.

>>20751254
its still spam

>>20751230

>>20750553
is spam
>>20750487
is spam

they come in every thread and add no value

>>20751198
I feel like there is a tendency for posts of certain fanbase to disappear infrequently while a certain other fanbase is untouched but what are you going to do? Shitposts usually get deleted.

Let's just live peacefully together, reading food scifi.

>>20497972
You are most welcome.

>>20452125
I suppose they used Tekne to have a face so they could more easily communicate with humans and non-men.