/lit/ - Literature

>>2241316

Yes, because you intentionally chose to end your life by starving to death.

>>2241303
>What 'message' can a novel express, pray tell?

Depends on the novel. 1984 was anti fascist for example.

'message' could also mean 'emotional content related to the content of the work and actions of the characters' its a very broad term.

>This sort of thinking displays a deep misunderstanding of what text can provide its audience.

no.

>>2241309
>choosing to die
>I mean 'deciding to kill yourself, end your own life'

He did not chose to get cancer. Cancer killed him. It was outside of his control.

>but he could have been treated

and you could only eat organic foods. You could design every aspect of your life around the idea of maximizing your longevity. Is the choice to not do that committing suicide? No, you're not making the intentional choice to end your life, of your own volition.

Not maximizing your lifespan =/= choosing to die =/= suicide.

There is also always the chance he could have survived the caner without treatment, died even after being treated.

>>2241269
>What most people are trying to say, is, that when you DO understand authors like Joyce, it's much deeper than J.K. Hookerowling.

I don't think depth of meaning comes from artificial obfuscation of the point and story.

I'm sure that if you DO understand finnegan's wake you will feel a sense of accomplishment, much like someone who de-codes a secret message.

I do not think difficulty alone makes a work good, or impressive.Which seems to be the main argument for those who like this book.

>>2241288
Nope. At least not in this case.

>>2241284
>>2241284

No, its not suicide.

su·i·cide/ˈso͞oiˌsīd/
Noun:
The action of killing oneself intentionally: "he committed suicide at the age of forty".
Verb:
Intentionally kill oneself.
Synonyms:
noun. self-destruction - self-murder
verb. take one's own life - make away with oneself

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He didn't choose to get cancer, he just didn't get it treated.

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>>2241280
By proxy, yes

>>2241273


But that isnt a link to 4chan

no. He did not actively kill himself.

smoke. weed. erry. day.

its amazing how many of the pathetic problems people on this site have would be fixed with a blunt and some fucking perspective

>>2241256
The goal of physics is to describe reality.


The goal of a novel is to entertain and express a message. So, it DOES devalue it if you cant understand it.

Thats like me writing a story thats just random strings of letters 'sadewrtwe we rw evf wefr we fw ' and saying 'its the best work ever, if you can't understand it, that doesnt devalue the work'

well, yea, it does.

>>2241231

thats cool

>Reading Finnegan's wake

Thats your problem OP. You're supposed to burn it for warmth.

www.tvtropes.org

Basically the wikipedia of meta literary devices.

'Zen and the Art of Motorcycle maintainence'

is a good intro

Also there is a joke-book 'plato and a platypus walk into a bar' something like that. I read it a while ago, it misinterprets a lot of philosophy but its descriptions are very unpretentious and grounded.

I'm writing one. This nerd had a crush on the popular girl in his class. she starts texting/contacting him via facebook. They flirt and such, but she ignores him in school. Eventually he asks her for naked pictures, she says 'send me some of you first' he does, she spreads them around school. He gets picked on, teased, decides to stalk her. Goes to her house to 'get those naked pictures' and winds up raping her. Hilarity ensues.


The goal is really to write a sympathetic rapist.

What uneducated civil war grunts wrote beautiful letters?

they don't read you the trash ones in documentaries

history of western philosophy and wisdom of the west - bertrand Russel

I'd actually recommend you find a better use of your time./

>>2240809
No it doesnt.

You're stupid, go to bed.

>>2240825
>specific case means generalization is wrong

no.

A Brave New World

>>2240721

Look at him. Then look at the female he is with.

You'd look smug too.

It doesnt bother me. They don't read, maybe they prefer other forms of entertainment. Those that thing if you don't read you're stupid are just fuckheads

>>2240697

White liberal islamic apologist ITT

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WVPxTTeXf0A

christopher hitchens related