/lit/ - Literature

>>5729198
>mfw I'm male and aren't and have never been fat

Annoying is subjective, though.

>>5726070
Either you're a good troll that knows how to get on my nerves really well, or you're the single dumbest person ever to be on 4chan and you just skipped the greatest part in the history of world literature.

>>5728533
I read CoL49 and GR at 17 and enjoyed both a lot.

However, I feel I should reread Gravity's Rainbow. I blazed through it the first time, and I think I could get a lot of new stuff and details out of it on a second, slower read.

Mason and Dixon is supposedly Pynchon's most difficult novel, even more so than GR. I know older people (60+) that absolutely love literature and have been into it for decades that jumped into M&D without reading any other Pynchon first and they couldn't handle it.

Just read The Crying of Lot 49. Then read it again.

Also, comparing Pynchon novels to video game consoles pisses me off more than it should.

>>5714197
Read the first chapter again. That's the real ending

>>5709985
Is Atlantis the big capital city he goes to in the end? Where he has that Made-up-story-Contest? It has been quite a few years since I've read it.

That stuff in the city was just too good; that insane history, all those facts about the city, its inhabitants, the races, groups, buildings, events, atmosphere. I remember there was some conspiracy thing or something and I think that chapter is when Rumo is introduced.

I don't know much about Fantasy books -- or fantasy in general aside from Magical Realism -- but that chapter was by far the best piece of fantasy I've ever read.

>>5708216
That book is amazing.

I've only read it once years ago as a kid, but I always remembered it. There is no other chidren's novel like it. The world building is fantastic.

From what I understand it was originally aimed at adults, but decided to change it to a children's book due to something called "Captain Bluebear" sounding a bit too much like something for 2 year olds.

>>5704949
Keep going. It will get better. You will get better. Keep going.

>>5705012
Keep going. Experience love, experience sadness; do it all. Learn from it. Turn it into inspiration and material to write about. Keep going.

>>5704636
You can do it.

>>5704229
Start writing again. Beginning to write is the hardest part. Try to write in one long run and be amazed at what you can do.

>>5704097
Cut out the time you're spending on 4chan. Write at night. Finish it, unless it's a matter of life and death. Then fix that and come back with new experiences to write about.

>>5703892
>>5703910
Good job m8s.

>>5703733
Nice.

>>5703716
Get back to it.

WE'RE ALL GOING TO MAKE IT BROTHERS

>>5643572
The show kind of offers some literary stuff in the first two seasons, but not that much. After that it's gone.

The show as a lot better than I expected though. My friends kept bugging me to watch it. I didn't watch it because I figured it would be just sex jokes and boobies. Nothing wrong with that, but I don't need a tv show for that. However, when I finally budged I found the show was actually quite clever and interesting. I watched all of it Which I don't recommend. Season 1 is great. Season 2 is great too. Season 3 is alright, as is season 4, although the formula is wearing thin by then. Season 5 and 6 are shit, and season 7 starts out ok but goes down quickly and contains moments that made me feel bad for ever having recommend the show to other people. The ending is alright, but nothing special

>>5643184
>Fedora's aren't alive and can't write

So, just like DFW?

I like DFW, actually

>>5639081
>Mulisch was such a cunt. I'm happy he's dead
I'm generally not someone to make statements like that, but I agree. He was a blemish on literature. A quickly healed blemish, luckily, from where it seems to be going.

>>5638958
De Avonden a shit. Discovery of Heaven is crap too, like I said before. Rest of it seems pretty legit. Beyond Sleep is god tier, although I can't comment on how Hermans' prose translates.

>>5636798
Are you Dutch?

The best Dutch writers (that are available in translation) are Nescio, Hermans, and Elsschot (he's Belgian actually, but he writes in Dutch). For Nescio and Elsschot you can pick up anything and with Hermans basically everything is good too, but the recommended starting point would be Nooit Meer Slapen (Beyond Sleep). There are other good Dutch writers ofcourse, but I'm not sure which are available in other languages, and most Dutch authors are good for being Dutch authors; they aren't worth your time when you have acces to the great works of the Russians and such.

When you read about Dutch literature you'll run into Max Havelaar by Multatuli a lot. The book has a lot of historical significance, but isn't really all that good.

The "big three" of Modern Dutch Lit are Gerard Reve, Mulisch, and the aforementioned Hermans. Reve has never been translated, as his subjects and emotions would be incomprehensible if you aren't Dutch, and his books haven't aged well. Mulisch was regarded as the greatest Dutch author since WW2, but this was something that was mainly perpetuated by Mulisch himself; he's not that talented, ripped off others, and was extremely arrogant. Mulisch was the definition of a hack (examples: every year he would get a television crew to come to his house to film him receive the Nobel Prize. He never won ofcourse, but that didn't stop him from sometimes saying that he did in interivews). Most of all, his novels are actually pretty fucking crappy. In the Netherlands, his "The Discovery of Heaven" is often named as the longest and most complicated novel of all time, but this is simply not true. Aside from being not that long, it's not complicated or clever or whatever AT ALL. In a more commonly spoken language that by that extent has a larger group of readers/writers he would be laughed at. It's interesting how since his recent death people have stopped talking about him completely.

>>5631160
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FgyZ4ia25gg
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7ZFmf4T5L3o

She really emphasizes the Moby Dick thing.

I read that version. It's a great novel and the edition is fine as far as the content goes, but the cover is pretty ugly. These days I see pic related in stores a lot and I'm almost thinking about buying that one for a reread.