/lit/ - Literature

The more you read actual philosophical works on ethics and politics, the less you'll care about what Kermit the Pseud has to say. So yes, Start with the Greeks as soon as possible.

>>10587051
Should have said pic unrelated. I don't have a lot of /lit/ related stuff.

In any case, what garbage does /lit/ write in their free time? I do mostly fantastic noir and erotica, sometimes merged if I really want to have two characters bang.

Books are innately fallicious, as the entire written work assumes authority of the one writing it.

Discuss.

The greatest minds are most certainly never understood and my deepest thoughts are surely incomprehensible for the human lot.

>>10475749
>Plato is formulaic, though innovative.
What does this mean? Are you talking about the elenchus or what?

>His ideas work well when he is describing utopias, because that is just how the Socratic method inevitably fits best with.
Have you read the Laws? There is an explicit rejection of some of his earlier thought in the Politeia (e.g. the free- vs. slave-doctor opposing the Politeia's "noble lie"). Plus, Socrates isn't even in that work; general consensus has it that it was written after Plato's wacky time in Syracuse, when he may have been disillusioned by the idea of philosophical utopias (though I don't think this is sufficient by itself to explain his evolution of thought).

Also, I'm no Straussian, but I think that there is a case to be made that Socrates is disengaged from the workings of Kallipolis; he describes a very austere ideal of a city before Glaucon interrupts, saying he wants to eat good food. In this passage (Bk. II, I think, but maybe Bk. IV), Socrates calls Kallipolis (the entire focus of the Republic's bulk) "a city for pigs." Is this utopia endorsed by Plato? His family were oligarchs, so... maybe. I haven't yet read enough to decide.

>>10475750
>Aristotle knew how to expand upon his ideas moreso than Plato
Aristotle was much more autistic than Plato, yes. There are two reasons for this: the first is hypothetical in sourcing the texts. By this theory, Plato's extant dialogues amount to promotional texts for the nascent Academy or else just rote memorization from his students. Aristotle's texts amount to lecture notes from students, with his more interesting dialogues lost to the sands of time. It's interesting, but I can't support its credibility or lack thereof.

The other reason is simple: Plato had a deep mistrust of the written word, tied up with his conception of anamnesis. [The latter part of the Phaedrus deals with this, as does Bk. X of the Republic.] Of course Plato doesn't want to spell out his theories! He wants students to think for themselves! At best, Socrates said, the written word could remind someone of what they had forgotten — but it could not teach them anything new. He had disdain for the poets because they spoke to our baser passions. [Iris Murdoch has a great essay on this, "The Fire and The Sun."]

>he did so much more articulately
Maybe "unambiguously" or "prolifically," but Plato had greater poetic chops than Aristotle (see Agathon's speech in the Symposium, proof that Plato could write excellent Greek tragedy and still chose not to!).

>with not just logic but feeling
Feeling is overflowing in Plato; I don't know what you're on. Again, Alcibiades' speech in the Symposium hits me dead in the feels evertim. Read deeper into Plato (e.g. soul as unmoved mover in Phaedrus, much of Aristotilean thought in the Sophist), and you'll find logic abound.

The rest of your post, respectfully, is fedora-tier.

>>10243896
>PLATO BTFO
But Macron is not a geometer.

>>10243997
>the french actually elected a fucking peterson fanboy lmao
And a monarchist, as per >>10244031 . In France. Yes. And they did all of this to escape the "nightmare" of voting an old woman scared of some Muslims. And there are people out there that somehow still think he's some manner of liberal (in the American sense, "social" liberal for Europeans).

Welcome to 21st century politics.

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>>10081602
Elaborate, no need to post like an edgy teenager.

do one's own business

>No Plato

I think it's easier with philosophy, where books that require a certain prior knowledge to be understood are a good test to make sure you actually know something. If I find myself at a loss, I put the book down and go back to hunt for whatever i was supposed to know. Occasionally I write down my thoughts if I feel really compelled, but I do not do that often. For the rest of literature, if I think something is worth remembering I take notes and review them every now and then. The more interesting the subject, the more often I do it.

>>10017764
>>10017791
Pussied out like a good american pseud

>>9758313
>begins thread by immediately discriminating against anything beyond their pin-needle scope of reading taste
>as though /lit/ is not a board to learn and grow beyond those categories listed
Jesus. No wonder this board is dead.

>>9758343
>>9758345
Thankfully enough, this anon got the point.

>>9741966
Learn Greek and Latin, and then learn their respective word roots.

Back when I used to be an avid historical world builder, my knowledge of the languages helped tremendously when I had to create names for Roman cities and geographical bodies.

>>9683780
technically speaking, Plato might just be someones "OC character DO NOT STEAL" fan fiction of what happened IRL

we dont have much in anyyway to actually corroborate his presence or what actually came out of his mouth, but if everything is true, hes the OG shitposter of humanity and probably praised kek

>>9622913
muh analogy

done

>>9364693
You need library science degrees to get a job there; even the clerks have them. They're severely underpaid, yet 80% of the workforce have master's degrees.

No one starts out as an editor right out of school unless they start their own publishing house. You need years of experience for that shit. My grandmother was a journalist for three decades before she finally got a position as a junior editor.

You should just become a technical writer or a copy editor for the time being, should you still want to become an editor. That's what I'm going to after I get my English degree. I've done a lot of internships as well, which will help tremendously in our field.

>All these Glaucon votes

If you jump from reading one literary novel or philosophical tome to immediately starting another without taking necessary time off for reflection (preferably a week or so to flesh out an essay or two) then you shouldn't even bother, as you are still a mindless consumer who would receive the same lasting satisfaction from the latest genre fiction series for teens.

>Finally, I have created the perfect model for... The Republic...

what a fucking hack

>>8898985
>good and evil is replaced by introversion and introversion
okay so not good or bad, no better or worse
>extrovert tries to act 'better'
>introvert tries not to act worse
you can't even give your thesis without using contradictory language. also, Jung tried philosophizing about introversion vs. extroversion a century ago, this is nothing new.
tl;dr kys