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I've been trying to come up with a counter of some kind ever since I was exposed to this stuff, but I can't. It all checks out. There's nowhere else for metaphysics to go once you discover Traditionalism. It solves and accounts for everything.

Is there a buddhsit critique of modernity?

I saw this in my local bookshop and it talks about Guenon, Evola, Dugin, etc. Is Traditionalism really this mainstream now? Or has it always been like this?

https://youtu.be/c3NDVUnmUlI

Just read the Gay Science, section 377. He explicitly names conservatism and people wanting to "go back" so to speak and rejects that. He specifically names German nationalism and racism and rejects it too. Then he proclaims himself and others like him to have too much mixed racial backgrounds to want to identify with nationalism, and calls them "good Europeans" trying to transcend these national identities and races. Yes he also opposes egalitarianism and liberalism (he says so in the same section). But why do so many people think he's trying to go back to the past, or support Nazi shit, if he very clearly and explicitly rejected it? In his letters to his sister he even says he's an anti-anti-Semite.

Would Guenon and Evola count as Averroists with their talk of a universal, impersonal "Self" above the ego?

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Alright so I've read Rene Guenon and Aldous Huxley and I enjoy them. Any other good perennialism/traditionalism authors you'd recommend? And if so which books should I start with?

especially regarding Evolian and Guenonian Traditionalism. All start:
What is meant by Tradition.
The metaphysics of perennialism.
The cyclical conception of time.
Action/Contemplation Being/Becoming Quality/Quantity.
Caste.

Feel free to name more, advanced Traditionalist concepts also welcomed.

Hey /lit/

I am at a crossroads in my life and opportunities are dwindling. So I have been considering studying Traditionalism seriously in an academic setting, but I am no adept so I don't know where in the West this would be possible.

Also, I know that Esotericism and the Academy explains how academia is closed off for this mode of thought but I do think that in the theological faculties there is a niche for this.

This is the only place I think would know so any advice would be greatly appreciated.

>If we can historically trace Guénon’s philosophical inspirations back to the Renaissance, which Guénon himself harshly criticized for misunderstanding the sacred civilization of the Middle Ages, and if we can find there the first formulations of Sophia Perennis or the Prisca theologia which compose the foundation of Traditionalist philosophy, then in it becomes completely obvious that these currents came to Western Europe in the Renaissance from the much deeper past and, to a certain extent, from a different cultural context (more specifically, the Byzantine-Greek). Of course, Platonism was well known in Medieval European Scholasticism, but it had long since yielded to Averroism and Aristotelianism enshrined virtually dogmatically in the realism of Thomas Aquinas. Hermeticism had existed in the form of alchemical currents and esoteric fraternities, but in the Renaissance these tendencies surfaced in rather vivid and magistral form, such as in the forms of open Neoplatonism and philosophically-formulated Hermeticism (with numerous direct or indirect polytheistic elements), which claimed to be not merely a secret tradition parallel to the dominant Scholasticism, but a foundational, universal worldview. Renaissance Platonism and Hermeticism directly opposed Catholic Tomism and formulated the agenda of Renaissance Humanism. This humanism was magical and sacred: man was understood to be the “perfect man”, the Platonic philosopher, the Angel-Initiator.

>The Renaissance Platonists appealed directly to the works of Plato, Plotinus, Hermes Trismegistus, and the broader corpus of Neoplatonic and Hermetic theories, many of which were freshly translated from Greek. Platonic humanism was reformed into a conceptual, theoretical bloc and began its offensive against previous philosophical and theological constructs. The Neoplatonists justified their claims to truth by emphasizing the antiquity of their sources and by claiming to propose a philosophical paradigm which could generalize different religious confessions, and as such was more universal and more profound than the Catholic religion of Europe. This synthesis came to include, in the very least, Byzantine Orthodoxy, but the reform program of Gemistus Plethon was even broader, proposing a restoration of “Platonic theology” as a whole and a return to certain aspects of polytheism. Platonism, like Hermeticism, was seen not simply as one philosophical or religious tendency among many others, but as “universal wisdom” capable of serving as a key to the most diverse philosophies and religions, as a common denominator. This idea of a meta-religious generalization became the most important notion of the Rosicrucian movement and, later, European Masonry (as shown by Yates).

Guenon: Bb-but Renaissance... Le Bad

Was he just trying to cover up his influences, not to be identified with le individualistic and "neopagan" characteristics of the Renaissance?

How does traditionalism make any sense as an ideology? Do I just not get it?
The traditions of my people from 100 years ago contradict the traditions of people from 500 years ago, and so on. Which one do I go with?

Depending on where we go to, traditions can be anything from monarchy to stalinism. Were the anti - stalinists degenerates for going against tradition?

Who wins first place as the end-all Weltanschauung?

I would like to be introduced more to the Traditionalism. I already have knowledge on perennialism, I’ve read a quarter of The Hermetic Tradition by Evola. I have also read some of Evola’s notes on Codreanu, the fall of spiritually, notes on the third reich and fascism viewed from the righr (since I’m political). How can I attain a more spiritual mindset? I have been introduced to some Platonism which restored my belief in spiritual forces, however I seek to detach from the scientific and materialist mindset. I would like attain higher spiritually and a ‘mastery’ of the character. Where is a good starting point to Spirituality of the Traditional perceptions and lifestyles of man? Recommendations, discussions, authors, always welcome

>Julius Evola tried to create the Fascist esotericism; but Mussolini was not Hitler, nor was he initiated. Rome would have been in agitation and revolt from above and below through the Christian Semitism. Unfortunately, the founder of the “Ur Group” did not meet personally with Hitler, nor did he discover the key to His esotericism. Only close to that Center of maximum energy could he have come to understand His visions, even after the end of the war; because nothing is over for good. We believe it is necessary to say: Julius Evola, the deepest, most important Italian thinker of our time, could not manage to break free from the limits imposed upon him by his Roman birth and his admiration for Rene Guenón —over whom he was far superior—. Baron Julius Evola could not understand Hitler nor could he penetrate Esoteric Hitlerism.

>It is clear that the position of Evola has nothing to do, in this case, with Esoteric Hitlerism nor with the grand Luciferian attempt of the SS to create the Superman, a Being totally distinct, via a Nietzschean mutation of all values, a transfiguration of the Vira, the hero, into Divya, into Sonnenmann, a divine immortal. It has nothing to do with the supreme effort, never before attempted so thoroughly, so definitively, by a mythic collective, by a “philosophical people”, or by an Aryan Collective Unconscious as Jung would say, by an Initiatic Warrior Order, in order to put an end to the Kali Yuga and return to the Golden Age. We cannot see where this connection with Metternich can be made, and not even with the Evolian monarchical Ghibellinism, or with that type of traditionalism and verbalist Guenonian neo-traditionalism, which has appropriated magical and sacred terms that belong to the Aurea Catena, such as “Hyperborean”, “Solar”, “Tantric”, etc. and which they begin to bring into disrepute, vulgarizing them by their repeated use. The same byname of “Traditionalist” and “Traditionalism” is repellent to me for in and of itself it is ambiguous and confusing. The Spanish Catholic Carlists, for example, are called “traditionalists” and also the conservative politicians of my country are dubbed thusly, the Hispanists, etc. This is not El Cordon Dorado, it is not essentially related to Esoteric Hitlerism, with that grand attempt of mutation of men and of this earth, the recovery of the Solar Age, the world of the Giants, of the God-Man, the Total-Man, the Sonnenmenschen—the Sun-Men—.

from the book "The Golden Thread"

They is a lot of books with trad Mormonism like in Sanderson Cosmere books, which is based on Mormon traditionalism.

The only Trad fantasy writer alive right now is Brandon Sanderson and he is WINNING.

Specifically, are there any contemporary traditionalist authors who dare to engage with any of the recent research on NDEs or on reincarnation?

Did they really believe that all extant religions had the same end goal? How is this even justifiable? Theosis in Christianity has nothing to do with Nirvana in Buddhism or Moksha in Hinduism for example. They are ontologically incompatible and point towards completely different and irreconcilable objectives. Did they just disregard the differences and dismiss them as corrupted teachings in order to back up their assertion that all traditions boil down to a single soteriological principle?

How does capital-T Traditionalism *NOT* lead to relativism?
>all of the religions are valid bro
Okay, good. I get it. I will be religious. But why believe in any particular one?
>some are counter-initiation
>join the ones left that still preserve tradition
Okay, but *which* one, exactly? If it's arbitrary, then it's meaningless. And each religion seems pretty adamant that they are the only true message and every other religion is out to deceive me or is somehow inferior.

A thread dedicated to the discussion of Traditionalism primarily as conceived of by Guenon and Evola, but other authors in the same vein welcome of course.

>still less must this complacency which abjures Science claim that such rapturous haziness is superior to Science. This prophetic talk supposes that it is staying in the centre and in the depths, looks disdainfully at determinateness, and deliberately holds aloof from Notion and Necessity as products of that reflection which is at home only in the finite. But just as there is an empty breadth, so too there is an empty depth; and just as there is an extension of substance that pours forth as a finite multiplicity without the force to hold the multiplicity together, so there is an intensity without content, one that holds itself in as a sheer force without spread, and this is in now way distinguishable from superficiality... Such minds when they give themselves up to the uncontrolled ferment of substance, imagine that, by drawing a veil over self-consciousness and surrendering understanding they become beloved of God to whom He gives wisdom in sleep; and hence what they in fact receive, and bring to birth in their sleep, is nothing but dreams.
ouch

Is there any interesting dovetailing between the Traditionalist school and Straussian political philosophy? Is that combination what's necessary to save the West?

Thread for discussing the ideas and books of thinkers associated with the Traditionalist school, sometimes also known as the Perennialist school. Including but not limited to:

- René Guénon
- Martin Lings
- Seyyed Hossein Nasr
- Frithjof Schuon
- Ananda K. Coomaraswamy
- Julius Evola
- Jean Borella
- Titus Burckhardt
- Philip Sherrard
- Marco Pallis
- Michel Valsan
- Charles Upton
Also thinkers indirectly affiliated, influenced by, or similar to Traditionalism:
- Henry Corbin
- William Chittick
- Mircea Eliade
- Arthur Avalon etc

Here is a good book that relates to the Demonic Theory of UFOs:
https://www.scribd.com/doc/86523719/The-Demonic-Theory-of-UFOs

>Can we really know what UFO's are? The answer is Yes-but only if we study them armed with a kind of knowledge that explains the true and complete structure of the universe—spiritual, psychic, and material—a knowledge that only traditional metaphysics can provide. Science can supply one piece of the puzzle, detective work another, psychic investigation still another. But only metaphysics can put the puzzle together, and give us a complete and satisfying picture of the UFO phenomenon.
-Charles Upton

>“An impressive parallel can be made between UFO occupants and the popular conception of demons.”
- Messengers of Deception by Jacques Vallee

Thread for discussing the ideas and books of thinkers associated with the Traditionalist school, sometimes also known as the Perennialist school. Including but not limited to:

- Rene Guenon
- Martin Lings
- Seyyed Hossein Nasr
- Frithjof Schuon
- Ananda K. Coomaraswamy
- Julius Evola
- Jean Borella
- Titus Burckhardt
- Philip Sherrard
- Marco Pallis
- Michel Valsan
- Charles Upton
Also thinkers indirectly affiliated, influenced by, or similar to Traditionalism:
- Henry Corbin
- William Chittick
- Mircea Eliade
- Arthur Avalon etc


Here's a documentary on Perennialism:
https://youtube.com/watch?t=135s&v=P_CNg4dpU54
An hour long interview with Julius Evola
https://youtube.com/watch?t=611s&v=QiCtdi5nCoA

And lastly, a talk by the most eminent Traditionalist around today:
https://youtube.com/watch?v=fIjW1z-ZAX8

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Thread for discussing the ideas and books of thinkers associated with the Traditionalist school, sometimes also known as the Perennialist school. Including but not limited to:

- Rene Guenon
- Martin Lings
- Seyyed Hossein Nasr
- Frithjof Schuon
- Ananda K. Coomaraswamy
- Julius Evola
- Jean Borella
- Titus Burckhardt
- Philip Sherrard
- Marco Pallis
- Michel Valsan
- Charles Upton
Also thinkers indirectly affiliated, influenced by, or similar to Traditionalism:
- Henry Corbin
- William Chittick
- Mircea Eliade
- Arthur Avalon etc

Here's a documentary on Perennialism:
https://youtube.com/watch?t=135s&v=P_CNg4dpU54
An hour long interview with Julius Evola
https://youtube.com/watch?t=611s&v=QiCtdi5nCoA

And lastly, a talk by the most eminent Traditionalist around today:
https://youtube.com/watch?v=fIjW1z-ZAX8

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