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20845477 No.20845477 [Reply] [Original]

Is there still a mass audience for children's stories? Is a success similar to Harry Potter's still possible these days?
Should I write for children or should I move up to YA?

>> No.20845485

>>20845477
Lmao no one reads nowadays. They're all busy swiping tiktok

>> No.20845507

>>20845477
No one reads.

>> No.20845521

>Lmao no one reads nowadays. They're all busy watching TV
>Lmao no one reads nowadays. They're all busy going to the cinema
>Lmao no one reads nowadays. They're all busy listening to the radio
>Lmao no one reads nowadays. They're all busy going to the cabaret
>Lmao no one reads nowadays. They're all illiterate

>> No.20845529

>>20845521
good point



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20845467 No.20845467 [Reply] [Original]

I'm trying to understand Descartes’ ontological argument for the existence of God, can someone let me know if I'm kinda thinking about it the right way? So basically there are truths that we accept about the nature of things clearly such as "2+2=4", "water is wet", "triangles have 3 sides", and then in regards to God, "it is in the nature of God that he exists", or in other words, "God exists", and so therefore, God exists? Or you could rephrase it as "something that must exist, must exist" and so there must exist a thing that in its nature must exist, and we can call this necessary thing "God"? (and then going forward we can maybe extrapolate other properties of God from the base property of necessary existence?) I have no idea what I'm talking about so feel free to call me a retard.

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>> No.20845876

>>20845724
Bruno also was a pantheist

>> No.20845904

>>20845868
>How could I have an idea of a unicorn if it didn't exist
Merely because you have the idea does not necessarily mean that it applies to existance.

>> No.20845914

>>20845864
>It clearly isn't because Bruno got burnt at the stake and Descartes didn't.
We would've seen how philosophical skepticism played out with the Church if Descartes had left out his pro-theism arguments from the Meditations. He didn't, though, and it could've been simple ass-covering.

>> No.20845919

>>20845638
This. It isnt a great argument to be honest, phenomenology destroys it pretty quickly. >>20845767
>>20845792
The core of the argument is the presence of perfection as a concept for the human mind. Nothing is perfect in this world, therefore this concept must be inherited. It is the signature of God into our minds, so to speak.

>> No.20845926

>>20845467
>there are truths that we accept about the nature of things clearly such as "2+2=4", "water is wet", "triangles have 3 sides"
Since when does anyone just accept these as axioms? Especially in a descartes thread.



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20845387 No.20845387 [Reply] [Original]

Zizek has a new article basically calling Communism a failure and stating that it will always be a failure.

https://thephilosophicalsalon.com/the-communist-desire/

Thoughts?

>> No.20845400

>>20845387
Finally these marxoid retards are waking up



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20845367 No.20845367 [Reply] [Original]

What are some good love poems?

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>> No.20845425

somewhere i have never travelled, gladly beyond
any experience, your eyes have their silence:
in your most frail gesture are things which enclose me,
or which i cannot touch because they are too near

your slightest look easily will unclose me
though i have closed myself as fingers,
you open always petal by petal myself as Spring opens
(touching skillfully, mysteriously) her first rose

or if your wish be to close me, i and
my life will shut very beautifully, suddenly,
as when the heart of this flower imagines
the snow carefully everywhere descending;

nothing which we are to perceive in this world equals
the power of your intense fragility: whose texture
compels me with the colour of its countries,
rendering death and forever with each breathing

(i do not know what it is about you that closes
and opens; only something in me understands
the voice of your eyes is deeper than all roses)
nobody, not even the rain, has such small hands

>> No.20845663

>>20845367
>
The Penis He Thought Was His Own
(lead tenor): ‘Twas the penis, he thought-was, his own—

Just a big playful boy of a bone . . .

With a stout purple head,

Sticking up from the bed,

Where the girlies all played Telephone—

(bass): Te-le-phone. . . .

(inner voices): But They came through the hole in the night,

(bass): And They sweet-talked it clear out of sight—

(inner voices): Out of sight. . .

(tenor): Now he sighs all alone,

With a heartbroken moan,

For the pe-nis, he thought-was, his, owwwwn!

(inner voices): Was, his, own!

>> No.20845667

That one that goes “thy firmness makes my circle just”

>> No.20845943

>>20845367
Dr Seuss
Green eggs and ham
Captivating

>> No.20845948

>>20845663
Beautiful



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20845345 No.20845345 [Reply] [Original]

Any inspired literature that will prove to stand the test of time and become a classic? No one talks about anything modern here, and I primarily stick to the classics. The quietness about new releases here makes me think that all new releases are absolute garbage.

>> No.20845489

>>20845345
Are you stupid?

>> No.20845628

The 2010s were the most creatively bankrupt decade across all forms of entertainment.



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20845325 No.20845325 [Reply] [Original]

Rereading The Sound and the Fury. It's good, but I had forgotten about the fifth sibling, Gumbly Compson, and the fifth chapter where he, Benjy, and Luster get into shenanigans playing a round of golf on the course that was supposed to be Benjy's inheritance and getting banned from it, simultaneously severing the Compsons from that part of their legacy forever but also giving Gumbly and co. the satisfaction of having been its kings for a day.

>> No.20845336

>>20845325
Gumbly was okay. My favourite was Uncle Mickey, who on the night of Jason III's funeral kept calling him a nihilistic sodomite while getting a little too handsy with Caroline.

>> No.20845384

>>20845325
he was also the only compson brother got to fuck caddy

>> No.20845406

>>20845325
No

>> No.20845411

>>20845325
wait, did the timeline shift AGAIN?



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20845277 No.20845277 [Reply] [Original]

>finally start reading the New Testament
>tfw it’s just primitive socialism
>keeps telling me to give up my possessions
WTF?

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>> No.20845676

>>20845277
Just keep reading.

>> No.20845685

>Jesus does some basic cold reading
>Oh, I see you are truly the messiah. I will now completely give up my entire life to follow you because you knew I was sitting under a fig tree

Were ancient people just retards?

>> No.20845845

>>20845277
He was trying to warn us about capitalism

>> No.20845853

>>20845685
Ancient people did not read. Just like /lit/

>> No.20845900

>>20845643
Yeah he looks adorable. Man I wish I could find a nice lady so I can summon some of these things in her womb and be A dad. But women these days....absolute state.



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20845272 No.20845272 [Reply] [Original]

I plan to begin translating Homer’s The Odyssey soon and release it sometime next year. This translation will be unique as I will be translating it from Latin (after I learn Latin which should only take me a few months.) Normally I recommend Emily Wilson’s translation as it is the most accurate from Greek translation, but a from Greek translation on serves to better appreciate Plato dunking on Homer. Homer is a hack and should be thought of as one.

The thing is, Heidegger was wrong about Greek and German being the languages of philosophy; it’s actually Latin, which was were the greatest developments in NeoPlatonism can be seen. I know Plotinus wrote in Greek, but he only laid the foundations; the real work was in Latin. Plotinus I believe also approached Plato with a Latin mind, and he very likely knew Latin. As well all know, knowing another language helps you think in different ways, so the origin of Plotinus’ writing is in essence Latin.

So why am I translating the work of a hack from Latin? Because the rendering of Homer into Latin gave it NeoPlatonic underpinnings that were not there before, or rather UNCONCEALED them.

Normally I say, start with the Greeks, but Plato and Aristotle, not Homer and Hesiod, but with this translation, Homer can be added to the essential Greeks.

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>> No.20845398

>>20845272
wtf no Latin is atrocious. Greek is the house of Being. Latin is the house of technique. You will fucking doom us you haughty nigger. This translation will literally be what does in Western civilization

>> No.20845877

REACH OUT AND TOUCH FAITH

>> No.20845881

>>20845272
this is good; you sound exactly like him down to the DALLE-meets-chinese-room tier parsing of assorted topics

>> No.20845883

>This translation will be unique as I will be translating it from Latin (after I learn Latin which should only take me a few months.)
>(after I learn Latin which should only take me a few months.)
lol. lmao even. I give you 2 weeks of solid effort before you give up.

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20845902

>>20845272
>This translation will be unique as I will be translating it from Latin
>(after I learn Latin which should only take me a few months.)



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20845267 No.20845267 [Reply] [Original]

Is she a good writer or is she just glorified for her tragic life and merchandising like Frida Kahlo?

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>> No.20845475

>>20845472
Roasties stay toasty.

>> No.20845484

>>20845475
Most roastie poets or confessionalist Plath wannabes are bad, but Plath and Sexton are the only ones of quality among that bunch. The way you focus on gender makes you sound like a tranny.

>> No.20845535

>>20845484
Why are they good poets?
Post ten lines which you think are good and "singular".

>> No.20845566

>>20845267
glorified for her tragic life

>> No.20845583

>>20845535
Among The Narcissi

Spry, wry, and gray as these March sticks,
Percy bows, in his blue peajacket, among the narcissi.
He is recuperating from something on the lung.

The narcissi, too, are bowing to some big thing :
It rattles their stars on the green hill where Percy
Nurses the hardship of his stitches, and walks and walks.

There is a dignity to this; there is a formality-
The flowers vivid as bandages, and the man mending.
They bow and stand : they suffer such attacks!

And the octogenarian loves the little flocks.
He is quite blue; the terrible wind tries his breathing.
The narcissi look up like children, quickly and whitely



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20845247 No.20845247 [Reply] [Original]

I am a walking corpse... not significant enough to be considered alive

>> No.20845255

I doubt it.



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20845217 No.20845217 [Reply] [Original]

Why read all this pretentious, overwrought garbage?

>> No.20845224

>>20845217
Do it

>> No.20845225

>>20845217
No reason to read anything you're about to burn. Have a good cookout bro

>> No.20845231

>>20845217
exercise your brain otherwise it will turn to pudding when you're 45

>> No.20845235

>>20845224
>>20845225
>>20845231
>he doesn't know



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20845174 No.20845174 [Reply] [Original]

Shelf posting lol

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>> No.20845236

>>20845213
That's why all of you should go back

>> No.20845248

>>20845174
>BAP
>Tao Lin
>Chapo Trash House
>Daniken

oh no, it's retarded!

>> No.20845264

>>20845200
you meant to respond to op, right?

>> No.20845309

>>20845264
You know who you are

>> No.20845327

>>20845174
You don’t think for yourself.



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20845147 No.20845147 [Reply] [Original]

what is your opinion of her?

>> No.20845156

>>20845147
They had no idea who she was till now.

>> No.20845599

>>20845147
Literally who?

>> No.20845613

>>20845147
N



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20845104 No.20845104 [Reply] [Original]

Is he wrong tho?

>> No.20845108

>>20845104
This isn't /tv/

>> No.20845122

>>20845104

He is not wrong.



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20845089 No.20845089 [Reply] [Original]

ITT: Books that make you want to neck yourself

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20845144

>>20845089
My diary desu



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20844984 No.20844984 [Reply] [Original]

Does /lit/ have any recommendations on literary theory and criticism?

I want to read something that will deepen and expand my understanding of what I read.

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20845096

>>20844984

>> No.20845206

>>20845031
No
>>20845096
And what did you make of it?

>> No.20845239

>>20845206
Your loss

>> No.20845597

bump

>> No.20845612

>>20844984
If you are not looking at going all out and learning criticism and theory than just start reading criticism, Gass is a good entry since his essays tend to be fairly self contained. If you want to go all out and dive into theory and criticism than the Norton Anthology of Theory and Criticism is a great place to start. Avoid Anatomy of Criticism, it is written for people well versed in the field and assumes a decent grasp of everything before it; ankns who reccomend it as a beginner text don't actually read and are just assuming what it is based off the title. Anatomy of Criticism is an outline of his method of criticism and only addresses how it differs from the standards of the time.



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20844976 No.20844976 [Reply] [Original]

When you're enjoying a classic work of prose or verse, how do you know that you don't think it's good simply because you know that it's considered good? In other words, what are some universal heuristics for good works of literature?

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>> No.20845190

>>20845169
Sounds like a perfect place to start. Do you know of any philosophers who have written about the topic of aesthetics and art though? Something like Aristotle's Poetics

>> No.20845220

>>20844976
I've failed at writing enough to know what the hard parts are and recognize when somebody does them well. I guess if you're just starting, all good art seems effortless, but eventually you'll become discerning.

>> No.20845223

what makes a work of art good is twofold.

one has to do with how it relates to other works of art, including the world. the easiest example is originality, how different it is from other works.

two, has to do with internal workings. every piece of art is a machine. a rube goldberg machine specifically. so the parts have to mesh together and the ball of experience should always be balanced. balance is key. in music this is obvious, every element is balanced, even the balance and imbalance within every element. but in literature, its harder to intuit this since its still ultimately music but a few steps removed.

of course for you to fall in love with a work of art a third thing is required. a mysterious sublime nebulus ephemeral strange wonderful thing that has to do with the alignment of the stars

>> No.20845232

>>20845220
>I've failed at writing enough to know what the hard parts are and recognize when somebody does them well.
My question is more along the lines of, what are you recognizing when you recognize that someone else has done it well? When you recognize the failing of your own art, what is it specifically deficient in? Basically, you have opinions, so what are you basing your opinions on?

>> No.20845921

>>20844976
>how do you know that you don't think it's good simply because you know that it's considered good?
Because I have zero innate respect for the classics. They have to impress me just as much as any contemporary book. I don't care if millions of people think a book is good, if I don't like what I'm reading then the book is shit.



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20844956 No.20844956 [Reply] [Original]

I want to have philosophical discussions, talk about history, art, religion, spirituality, esotericism and anything /lit/ related.

Wat do¿? Should I join the freemasons? Should I become a sufi aprentice? Should I go to a monastery in India?

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>> No.20845826

Unironically there are good Discord servers out there

>> No.20845863

>>20844956
In college.

>> No.20845874

>>20844970
>>20845863
Not OP but I'm an autodidact and never went to uni so those opportunities are closed off to me. OP should just come to northeast Ohio and have a conversation with me

>> No.20845875

There's a philosophy group at my uni, which I'm going to check out once I'm a bit more settled in placements. But my hopes aren't high.

>freemasons
There are some esoterically inclined individuals but this is the minority. Most are vet boomers and their failure sons.

>> No.20845878

>>20845874
Clubs, at least at my uni, are open to the general public.



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20844900 No.20844900 [Reply] [Original]

This read like an acid trip. Thank you /lit./ You guys are awesome.

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20844928

>>20844900

>> No.20844932

>>20844900
all good fiction reads like an acid trip

>> No.20844960

>>20844913
Ok Thanks

>> No.20844990

>>20844928
Sounds based

>> No.20845002

this book changed my life



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20844894 No.20844894 [Reply] [Original]

What is weird fiction?

Weird fiction isa subgenre of speculative fiction originating in the late 19th and early 20th centuries. Weird fiction either eschews or radically reinterprets ghosts, vampires, werewolves, and other traditional antagonists of supernatural horror fiction.

Notable Authors: Thomas Ligotti, H.P. Lovecraft, Robert W. Chambers, Robert Aickman, Michael Cisco, Mark Samuels, Brian Evenson, Michael Shea, Robert Bloch, Frank Belknap Long, William Hope Hodgson, Chiaki Konaka, Junji Ito, Gemma Files, Matthew M. Bartlett, Jon Padgett, Clark Ashton Smith, Ramsey Campbell, Laird Barron, John Langan, Nathan Ballingrud, Matt Cardin, Christopher Slatsky, Richard Gavin, Brian Hodge

What have you read lately?

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>> No.20845510

>>20845228
Lovecraft

>> No.20845541

>>20844894
Just say gardnerian fiction

>> No.20845647

Well op the thread's off to a cracking start

>> No.20845677

>>20845023
This takes the cake.

>> No.20845779

>>20845020
I probably will



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