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10160135 No.10160135 [Reply] [Original]

Who's an aesthete rationalist? Kant on an aesthetic level?

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>> No.10160158

pulp to read on a beach holiday.....fucking light-weight

>> No.10160165

>>10160135
Houellebecq said something funny about how he disliked this cover for the British edition of that novel along the lines of "I do not like the children's knickers; the British always have to make things perverse in order for it to be sexy. I prefer thongs."

>> No.10160284

>>10160165
>British always have to make things perverse in order for it to be sexy

typical frog insecurity having to snipe at the brits

>> No.10160295

>>10160165
I hope the quote is fake

>> No.10160306

>>10160165
Those panties are cute as fuck on the ight girl. Thongs are obscene



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10160106 No.10160106 [Reply] [Original]

What's a good book summarizing and explaining Hegel's logic and epistemology?



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10160006 No.10160006 [Reply] [Original]

Post /lit/ poetry. Favorite poems or interesting poems. No pleb poetry

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>> No.10160045

>>10160021
>>10160006
Rupi Kaur is a hack. Not only is she a hack, she's a hack who is only loved by other hacks. She's the purest embodiment of the poison killing contemporary poetry. She says nothing of import. She says nothing beautifully. She misuses the toolset of the modernists to provide trite which even the most degenerate of the decadents would scoff at. There is no point, no meaning, and no reason for her writing. She writes because she wants to be an author.

She is the worst poet alive, bar none.

>> No.10160060

>>10160045
We know. Shut up and post poetry.

>> No.10160061

>>10160045
I just want to say that that post is well written.

My smile is stuck
I cannot go back to your Frownland
My spirit’s made up of the ocean
And the sky ‘n’ the sun ‘n’ the moon
‘n’ all my eyes can see
I cannot go back to your land of gloom
Where black jagged shadows
Remind me of the coming of your doom
I want my own land
Take my hand and come with me
It’s not too late for you
It’s not too late for me
To find my homeland
Where a man can stand by another man
Without an ego flying
With no man lying
‘n’ no one dying by an earthly hand
Let the devils burn and the beggar learn
‘n’ the little girls that live in those old worlds
Take my kind hand
My smile is stuck
I cannot go back to your Frownland

>> No.10160070

>>10160060
VI
Although I do not hope to turn again
Although I do not hope
Although I do not hope to turn

Wavering between the profit and the loss
In this brief transit where the dreams cross
The dreamcrossed twilight between birth and dying
(Bless me father) though I do not wish to wish these things
From the wide window towards the granite shore
The white sails still fly seaward, seaward flying
Unbroken wings

And the lost heart stiffens and rejoices
In the lost lilac and the lost sea voices
And the weak spirit quickens to rebel
For the bent golden-rod and the lost sea smell
Quickens to recover
The cry of quail and the whirling plover
And the blind eye creates
The empty forms between the ivory gates
And smell renews the salt savour of the sandy earth

This is the time of tension between dying and birth
The place of solitude where three dreams cross
Between blue rocks
But when the voices shaken from the yew-tree drift away
Let the other yew be shaken and reply.

Blessèd sister, holy mother, spirit of the fountain, spirit
of the garden,
Suffer us not to mock ourselves with falsehood
Teach us to care and not to care
Teach us to sit still
Even among these rocks,
Our peace in His will
And even among these rocks
Sister, mother
And spirit of the river, spirit of the sea,
Suffer me not to be separated

And let my cry come unto Thee.

>> No.10160557

>>10160006

The mower stalled, twice; kneeling, I found
A hedgehog jammed up against the blades,
Killed. It had been in the long grass.

I had seen it before, and even fed it, once.
Now I had mauled its unobtrusive world
Unmendably. Burial was no help:

Next morning I got up and it did not.
The first day after a death, the new absence
Is always the same; we should be careful

Of each other, we should be kind
While there is still time.



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10159982 No.10159982 [Reply] [Original]

Why were Tolkien's villains more relatable than his heroes?

>> No.10159986

Because people suck and are evil, you can make the same criticism of the bible.



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10159980 No.10159980 [Reply] [Original]

Do you remember the books you read as a child? For me, a usually a visual or some type of music evokes very vivid and realistic settings of books that I read at a young age, although I can never remember any titles or names. What do you remember about a book long after you've read it?

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>> No.10160478

>>10159980
I've still got many of the books I read as a child. Mostly a Time-Life collection about airplanes, Dinotopia, some scary Russian goodnight stories, Plato's Crito Phaedo and Apology, and a Holy Bible.

What I remember most about them is spending hours on the floor reading them, looking at pictures, and imagining the world outside. Reading about Howard Hughes and experimental aircraft as a 7 year old in the late 1980s was a trip, I was convinced a Spruce Goose factory was out there somewhere. That's it. I remember the free hours, the floor, the smell of the books.

>>10160000
Checked.

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10160493

>>10160000
>Still owns all his childhood books
>Those digits

Some bastards get all the luck

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10160495

>>10160478
>Plato's Crito Phaedo Apology

I need to believe this is not a lie

>> No.10160496

Sorta, I remember which books and the emotions they evoked as I read them, but the plots usually escape me. When I've revisited them years later it's been this weird experience where I start remembering as I'm reading but am often times still surprised by major plot points. I also tend to have physical sensations associated with memories of certain books

>> No.10160501

>>10160478
>free hours
This. I remember having all the time in the world to read all of the books I wanted to, and now it's a struggle to make time.



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10159973 No.10159973 [Reply] [Original]

why is so much of literature so miserable and depressing? is it because writers generally sad people?

just looking at required reading "classics" in high school and literally none of them are positive

grapes of wrath - boo hoo these poor people suffer every day

old man and the sea - boo hoo the old man worked so hard but then the sharks ate the fish

1984 - in the future the government will torture people and brainwash them

catcher in the rye - literally just an emo kid moping around

hamlet - literally everyone kills each other/dies

are there any "great" books that aren't just depressing and tragic? honestly the only non-depressing book we had to read was huckleberry finn, and it was the hokiest nonsense.

what are some good books that are actually inspiring?

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>> No.10160429

A quote I found that kind of explained the pain of life for me was from an essay on Dostoyevsky.
"Even Ivan Karamazov says he would 'respectfully return the ticket' to God when he realizes that he can neither accept the fact of suffering in the world, nor change the world to eliminate it wholly, nor comprehend the truth which alone makes it intelligible and endurable."

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10160436

>>10160355
>>10160356
thanks for rec

>>10160354
ok so they were all just lessons/warnings, i'd take that, better than the "wake up life is suffering" crowd

>> No.10160446

>>10160392
i always thought it was just a "fuck off" to the loser character, "your money isn't worth shit to me"

>> No.10160453

>>10160348
right click search google for image genius

>> No.10160559

>>10160453
Turns out she's from Brazil.



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10159959 No.10159959 [Reply] [Original]

How do I learn to write short stories?

Should I just try to imitate my favourite short story writers? I don't read many of them but I like Mishima and Fitzgerald and Chekhov.

>> No.10160055

>>10159959
Read a ton of short stories first of all. Then determine which ones you liked and which ones you want to understand better. Study the shit out of those stories. Then, write a story outside the influence of any of those stories. Once you start shaping it, take the lessons you've learned from your favorites and then apply them to your half formed story.

>> No.10160120

>tfw you will never be maupassant and have fucking flaubert mentor you
there is a family friend who is a published writer who gets mentioned on lit every now and then though

>> No.10160142

>want to write short stories
>no money in it

>> No.10160150

>>10160142
what is there money in writing?



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10159946 No.10159946 [Reply] [Original]

...and right behind them what comes crashing now into the pallid lights of the garden but— why the Sherman Tank itself! headlights burning like the eyes of King Kong, treads spewing grass and pieces of flagstone as it manoeuvres around and comes to a halt. Its 75 mm cannon swivels until it’s pointing through the French windows right down into the room. “Antoine!” a young lady focusing in on the gigantic muzzle, “for heaven’s sake, not now. . . .” A hatch flies open and Tamara Slothrop guesses: wasn’t Italo supposed to have the tank?—uh—emerges shrieking to denounce Raoul, Waxwing, Italo, Theophile, and the middleman on the opium deal. “But now,” she screams, “I have you all! One coup de foudre!”

> looks up coup de foudre on google translate

heh



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10159915 No.10159915 [Reply] [Original]

Give me a quick rundown of all the highlights of John's newest book. His first since 2012, I'm sure it's good.

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>> No.10160497

>>10160326
i.e. how to destroy the economy

>> No.10160499

>>10160326
>more money for NASA
you don't need a tax increase for that, you tard.
Also,
>VAT

>> No.10160503

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/10/10/books/review-john-green-turtles-all-the-way-down.html?_r=0&module=ArrowsNav&contentCollection=Books&action=keypress&region=FixedLeft&pgtype=article

You know despite the hate this guy gets on this board it sounds genuinely interesting. Everything you read doesn't have to be intellectually rigorous.

>> No.10160504

>>10160326
Just raise tax percentages + universal income.

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10160523

>>10160503
>reading for plot
>reading for THIS plot



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10159898 No.10159898 [Reply] [Original]

Who are the best translators? Whose translations shoild I look for when buying a book on the internet?



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10159889 No.10159889 [Reply] [Original]

Oi lads, I've written a novelette about the exploits of a degenerate weeb thrown into a fantasy world by an asshole angel. I meant to post this when it was free for a few days so I wouldn't be as much of a shill but it's still no extra charge if you're on Kindle Unlimited.

If you really want to read it without spending shekels I can throw up a PDF. Please give me reads guys, I'm both entitled and need the validation of well-read strangers.

https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0768GBKCD

Also if you read it, pic is related.



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10159884 No.10159884 [Reply] [Original]

What should i read before Socrates? And which is the best book on the pre-Socratic thinkers?

I got the Iliad and Odyssey in a easy to read danish edition - (and has read them), Loeb's "Hesiod the homeric hymns and homerica" -
(reading) and H. W. Parke's "Greek Oracles" -(glanced at the front cover).

Should i buy Edith Hamilton's Greek Mythology or is it just as good as any other book on the topic and a meme? What about "The Pythagorean Sourcebook and Library" have anybody read it and are able to commentary? Please recommend a great book on the Pre-Socratics please.

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>> No.10160153

>>10160125

I was busting your balls. To be honest, you don't need to read the pre-Socratics.

>> No.10160155

>>10160134
Good, I hear good things about "the first philosophers", Bertrand Russel get's hate but I prefer him infinitely more than Anthony Kenny, also there are some compiled lecture notes from Nietzsche's lectures in pre-socratics, that is pretty interesting but not the best source. The most important are probably, Heraclitus, Parmenides and Anaximander

>> No.10160265

What about Edith Hamilton's Greek Mythology?

>> No.10160442

I think Kirk's book or Guthrie's book on the presocratics are the best there is, a friend told me Guthrie's is better though.

>> No.10160509

>>10159884
You mean Plato right? I'd just start there, as he was pretty much the first that actually has shit that came down to us.



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10159883 No.10159883 [Reply] [Original]

Somebody on here once remarked that "you can trace a direct connection between plato/neoplatonists to the scholastics via boethius". Can anyone speak to this?

I'm about to read Consolation of Philosophy and would like to know what I'm getting into, and what other works would pair well with it. I'm currently reading The Enneads by Plotinus and Parmenides by Plato.

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>> No.10159923

>>10159909
>namefag

lmao

>> No.10159929

>>10159923
i'm a tripfag
get it straight, queer

>> No.10159966

>>10159929

Alright, big man.

>> No.10160141

>>10159929
you're both
kys

>> No.10160489

>>10159883
i think you need augustine to fill that gap. boethius gave us what we knew of aristotle.



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10159874 No.10159874 [Reply] [Original]

Nice sticky there.

>> No.10159892

>>10159874
Pay debts

>> No.10159894

>>10159892

kek'd



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10159838 No.10159838 [Reply] [Original]

what is the greatest unappreciated or little known novel

>> No.10159846

I don't think enough people talk about Gargantua and Pantagruel

>> No.10159854

>>10159846
i love rableis



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10159803 No.10159803 [Reply] [Original]

Is it possible to have freedom, be good, and be happy? Or can I only choose two?

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>> No.10159820

>>10159815
Sure, but what does it cost?

>> No.10159906

>>10159811
This, if "good" is defined by the principles set by a God.

>> No.10160168

>>10159811
How?

>> No.10160205

>>10159809
im free, good, physically atractive and unhappy. Theory debunked , sorry anon.

>> No.10160248

>>10159803
Yes. There are only your standards and morals. You choose to take what makes you happy and living by your own values makes you righteous in the only sight that matters -- your own. At the same time, you are free to do anything because there is no fixed, universal morality.



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10159772 No.10159772 [Reply] [Original]

hi /lit/, i just finished Patrick Rothfuss's book The Wise Man's fear. probably the best book i've read, for those of you who have read it, do you have any theories or anything you want to discuss? great book 600/10

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>> No.10159972

>>10159772
When Diana got him a new case with his harp in it and he started crying, I thought it was because his instrument was missing for good and this was an extra blow. Only in the scene after was the instrument alluded to so that annoyed me.

I also didn't like when Devi through that huge fit on how she hates Kvothe to the grave, then walks in not too long later completely contrary to the build-up, like where's the laugh track? There's an audience sound effect that's missing in this scene.

Damn that Fatrick Rothpuss.

>> No.10160063

>>10159772
I actually liked the series so far, even if there is a lot of flaws and the fact that the 3rd book is not going to be published soon.

>> No.10160116

>>10159772
thank you for this insightful troll post. 1/10 made me reply.

>> No.10160126

>>10160063
>not going to be published soon.
Not going to be published ever.

>> No.10160171

>>10159772
come on dude, its an entretaining book but its not even revolutionary and it certainly should never be the best book anyone has ever read.



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10159730 No.10159730 [Reply] [Original]

>your favorite method for memorizing poems

I use a small whiteboard and write the poem over and over again. Sometimes, I'll write each line on their own flash card, shuffle them, and then arrange them in the proper order.

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>> No.10159794

>>10159730
sauce?

>> No.10159824

>>10159752
I used to recite Invictus in my head to help with rhythm when I ran cross country in high school. Now it's really burned in there. I didn't have much else memorized back then and still don't, though.

>> No.10159845

>>10159751
kek

>> No.10159849

>>10159730
Audio recordings. Eliot is easy- all his best he read into a microphone, so you can listen to him. Ezra Pound did it a bit too.

>>10159757
>He doesn't see the utility in having a poem on tap
>He doesn't understand how memorization helps in understanding meaning
>He doesn't get why Joseph Brodsky had his students memorize poems

>> No.10159853

>>10159730
Usually just learn a few lines at a time, and say them out loud in front of a mirror.



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10159721 No.10159721 [Reply] [Original]

how can i stop being nihilistic?

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>> No.10160417

Adopt a puppy or a kitten.

>> No.10160426

Murder a homeless person.

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10160440

>>10159721
Accept the oneness of God and accept the final prophet (SAWS) of pure monotheism.

>>10160321
rude

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10160444

>>10160118

>> No.10160448

>>10160405
Right. A sceptic that then didn't try to have the last word. Do you even read books? Really, though. Come on. Dance with those devils around the pole yon toad, and let the full moon be sanctified with the necessary scarlet host.

Anyone else excited for the real Halloween night?



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10159680 No.10159680 [Reply] [Original]

IF THE POLITICAL IS PERSONAL (fer you) YOU ARE FUCKED

also, your favorite book. (so i don't get banned)
>Gordan Ramsays biography

>> No.10159684

SHITPOST NICE AND HOT

>> No.10159697

>>10159684
YOUR MOTHER IS NICE AND HOT



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