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12650847 No.12650847 [Reply] [Original]

What are some strong points (one can hardly deny/make the argument well holding) or some weak points one can easily attack (e.g. a faulty assumption) in Singer’s “all animals are equal?
For example, his use of the requirement of simply enjoying pleasures and feeling pain as enough for them to worthy equal to humans treatment makes it quite difficult to attack his argument further on.

However, he mentions death being something negative when talking about treatment of non-human animals, which opens up an issue leaving him vulnerable (that death initself is not bad, and if well raised and painlessly killed, eating animals is not bad). Any other ideas?

link to reading in case somebody wants

http://faculty.webster.edu/corbetre/philosophy/animals/singer-text.html

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>> No.12651232

>>12651197
Then ok, but why be vegan then ?
That's just common sense :
-do no hurt animals if you can not hurt them,
-exploit them as humanely as possible, so don't cut them from their natural milieu,

From that point, you can chose 2 paths, based on your understanding of his doctrine : trad localist lifestyle or vegan/antispecist messianism .

>> No.12651242

>>12651197
A lot of Singer's positions also look really inconsistent when placed next to each other. He was really gung ho about animal rights, but he was also for euthanizing disabled newborns.

The premise of his argument being that disability necessarily comes with suffering.
Singer doesn't conceive that animals, who are similarly unable to gain certain physical or intellectual capabilities, and so are unable to experience certain pleasures or avoid certain pains are similarly impaired. His reasons why death for the disabled is merciful don't cross over to animals who are similarly impaired but supposedly don't suffer for it.

>> No.12651243

>>12651220

yes but then he talks about mongs and retards, and says that since we dont perform experiments or eat them etc, its unfair to do it to animals. Since the problem is rationality, we should have the same attitude towards all lower rationality creatures, not protect the few humans.

>> No.12651255

>>12651232


its his issue that he brings up death. I can find a way around this. He said "its not merely that we are prepared to kill them". Before talking about the conditions

>> No.12651261

>>12651243
Retards will still have that human nature which is rational even if it doesn't manifest itself to its full potential.



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12650823 No.12650823 [Reply] [Original]

This is my old English teacher. Based or cringe?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FHc3hlGw7T8

>> No.12650950

Kind of in between, for me. More leaning towards based. I object to his use of ‘reading’ for logos and ads, as these are background noise and reading is for the most part intentional and conscious. Not to say these things can’t be read, more like the norm is that they aren’t; they’re absorbed.

His spoken word thing, like that male novelist jokes thing I think abuses anaphor rather than using it. Maybe they should return to their Whitman.

Still, I would rather have this guy as a teacher than most other people.

Plus I would suck his dick.

>> No.12651250

Bump for actually being /lit related.



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12650794 No.12650794 [Reply] [Original]

>Kierkegaard was definitely not without fault, for though cristianity the anxiety of death, it has not provided adequate treatment for sexual impulses. This expresses itself in Kierkegaard in a basic primal fetish. He announces it on a letter to his friend E. Boesen, concerning a Spanish woman: "For her feet belongs to that kind of delicate white feather, hand drawn by god himself. One can not, and should not repress himself at such sight. It's unchristian to do so. For God is beauty and beauty is truth and not recognizing beauty is not recognizing truth, thus it's the same as rejecting God. A man must give all of himself to worship it. He must approach it with delicacy and not be so eager to finish the work. He must be careful. But at one such point, beauty overthrows reason and he must undress the feet immediately. He must bury himself within the continents, the undiscovered countries, that lay between toes. He must smell it and drown in her feet scents. He must tickle it and watch the appropriate crimson red expression in her face. He must go mad in the delicacies and mathematicalities of the carefully sculpted lines and gently protuding green veins that innundates the white plain like immaculate rivers. She must play accordingly, and happyfully do her part, oh lucky man! She must do her part and come forth upon him and give him the final blow: a round of face stepping, for he is a sinner, a beast, an unworthy man, and should be punished to death by feet asfixiation!". Later, Kierkegaard shows typical christian shame and regret:"To masturbate is to enter in degeneracy. It's a sinful, wretched act and the saint dotcrine states that he who may commit such acts shall not enter upon heaven. I shall not enter upon heaven."
- Kierkegaard: A Biography
Are there any books on writers and philosophers sexual practices?

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>> No.12651006

>>12650986
Kierkegaard is well known to struggle with sexual impulses.

>> No.12651027

>>12651006
That i can believe, but this quote sounds like something you'd expect on /lit/. Though, I dont think it is that much of a stretch to suggest that Kierkegaard would have posted here had he been alive.

>> No.12651042

>>12651027
He would have rightfully derided foot fetishists and their neurodegenerative condition.

>> No.12651059

>>12650794
>She must do her part and come forth upon him and give him the final blow: a round of face stepping, for he is a sinner, a beast, an unworthy man, and should be punished to death by feet asfixiation!". Later, Kierkegaard shows typical christian shame and regret:"To masturbate is to enter in degeneracy. It's a sinful, wretched act and the saint dotcrine states that he who may commit such acts shall not enter upon heaven. I shall not enter upon heaven.

Catholicism is an abomination, even worse than footfaggotry.

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12651295

>>12650794



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12650790 No.12650790 [Reply] [Original]

>professor constantly deviates from the syllabus
>will assign work and just off briefly offhandedly mention it once at the end of class without posting a new announcement or sending an email or anything
>wants a 4 page paper about a mistake you made in the past
>wants you to find something you did that was bad enough that you can make 4 pages out of it
>what if everything I can think of was illegal or socially unacceptable.wav
>have to make something up thats bad enough it fits the bill but no so bad that I might get a bad grade and/or kicked out of class due to spite
>they want you to use "the elements of thought" and "impediments to critical thinking" to analyze the logic that went into your decision
>4 pages
>4

>> No.12650810

>>12650790
I studied English at Iowa and it was incredible.

>> No.12650821

>>12650810
noice
who were the residents at the time?

>> No.12650845

>>12650810
>>12650821
Honestly I can make some shit up when it comes to the impediments to critical thinking, but its the elements of though thats gonna be hard, like I'm having to basically reverse engineer my logic for a decision from years ago that I'm making up



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12650772 No.12650772 [Reply] [Original]

Books with <pic related> protagonist, done right ?

>> No.12650779

>>12650772
Nick Land's oeuvre

>> No.12650796

>>12650772
Culture of Critique

>> No.12650833

>>12650772
First book of sanderson's mistborn.

>> No.12650868

>>12650772
God-Emperor of Dune



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12650754 No.12650754 [Reply] [Original]

What literature is approved by our Chinese overlords?

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>> No.12651266

>>12651254
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Media_coverage_of_North_Korea#Sensationalism

Over several years, many international news outlets have reported that North Korean media claimed that Kim Jong-il shot five holes in one his first time playing golf, or achieved some other improbable score.[78][79][80] The implication of the story is that the North Korean government attributes supernatural feats to its leaders as part of a cult of personality. Despite the wide propagation of the story, no North Korea media source for the report has ever been produced. NK News reports that "informal surveys of North Koreans themselves revealed that no one in Pyongyang was aware of this legendary feat, unless told it by a tourist."[81] Richard Seers, a British journalist who played at the Pyongyang Golf Club, asked officials there, who indicated it was nothing more than an urban myth.[82] The Korea Times has traced the story to Australian journalist Eric Ellis, who heard the tall story from the club professional at Pyongyang Golf Club in 1994.[83]

>> No.12651270

>>12651248
Most of the people on that list aren't particularly difficult.

>> No.12651277

>>12651213
>Rules china with an iron but fair fist
>Has managed to kill any chance of china becoming a democracy, thus preventing its downfall
>Has kept Taiwan in check and will do so for the foreseeable future
>Under his rule all dissidence in Hong Kong has been squashed
>All the naysayers who thought china's economy would crash have been proved wrong by based Xi
>China's influence over the world is growing continuously
>Meanwhile america is growing weaker each passing day

>> No.12651290

>>12651266
Is Xi Jinging's reading list also a lie?

>> No.12651297

>>12651209
>marx
>german
>worth mentioning
yikes



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12650727 No.12650727 [Reply] [Original]

So I just got laid at age 26 despite believing that premarital sex is against the moral law. It wasn't that enjoyable, don't think I'll do it again.

Has this shit actually unlocked my potential as a writer? I don't feel any different.

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>> No.12650872

>>12650751
Wrong, not all pussies are created equal, its all about how tight she is combined with is her vaj dry or not, also warm or not

>> No.12650899

>>12650870
Woman are overrated is going to be replaced by sexbots in the future. Yay

>> No.12650915

>>12650855
It's better because it's stick to a wiman

>> No.12651022

>>12650798
No wonder it was so terrible.

>> No.12651057

>>12650798
sounds like a real catch, when are you going to meet her parents?



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12650708 No.12650708 [Reply] [Original]

Is it possible to "refute" satire without looking like an dumbass?



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12650701 No.12650701 [Reply] [Original]

Somewhat of a Peterson thread, but more in line with the Jung quote.

So I remember hearing Peterson say in a debate with Sam Harris something along the lines or sentiment of:

"The great authors of previous times express truths in their works which resonate with us, really without us even knowing why, but with an internal sense of the work being great."

Except what he actually said was:

"The authors get there first [before the philosophers and thinkers explicitly express these truths]."

Philosophically, do you guys find this to be true? I think I elaborated on the quote correctly. It's from the infamous "Truth" debate where Peterson takes a pragmatic approach, and Sam Harris takes a fact-based approach and forces Peterson to admit that compiling facts do not produce a "Truth" and that rather "Truth" is more of what is self-preserving and lasting for the species. It was essentially a debate over the definition of truth, but that line struck me.

I guess I was reading about Heidegger and his criticisms of being platitudinal, and was reminded of this quote.

Anyway, general discussion thread.



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12650692 No.12650692 [Reply] [Original]

Recent purchases thread?

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>> No.12650959

>>12650692

Lately got:

Hellstorm's Hive-Frank Herbert
The Collector-John Fowles
Room- Emma Donoghue
Rashomon and Seventeen other stories-Akutagawa(On order)

Hellstorm's Hive is really fun and bizarre but I'm liking it so far especially the material about the fake documentary about the scientists. Reminds me of something DFW would do. The Collector is also pretty good and a quick read. Looking forward to the Akutagawa book.

>> No.12651089

>>12650901
We should start insulting women based on the size of their breasts more. A woman with small breasts is a physical failure of a being, and having anything less than a B cup (entirely unsatisfactory, but a bare minimum) should be treated the same as missing something like your nose or the like. Just like Hitler wanted to create a race of blond-haired blue-eyed people, if I were like Hitler—okay, I already am, but if I had Hitler’s power—well, you already figured out what I would do.

>> No.12651112

>>12651089
You're mean :(

>> No.12651181

>>12651112
Sorry, I know that every belief like this reflects onto real people and I often feel conflicted about it.

>> No.12651288

>>12651112
>>12651181
This exchange made me fuckin kek



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12650687 No.12650687 [Reply] [Original]

Is this what a person of average intelligence larping as a genius looks like?

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>> No.12651094

>>12651044
This is in line with what Peterson (hardly an opponent of IQ test) mentions in some of his online lectures, that the thing IQ is best at is predicting when someone will be functionnally retarded.

Also Taleb may have another idea of success than most people, we will see someone being a well-paid engineer as personal success, while Taleb is likely to point out this is mostly just a case of a guy with a good education in childhood faring well in controlled school-like environment (so more social reproduction than genuine intellectual success).

Also this >>12651056. What Taleb is describing is mathematically possible. Generally speaking correlation is very tricky (despite its apparet simplicity) and often misleading.

>> No.12651120

>>12651084
>Slaves weren't the drug dealer. They were the drug. Stupid analogy.

Molymeme is using the words "blacks", so it applies to the slaves as well as the African slave-sellers. Basically in this case the drug and the drugs dealers are of the same nature, simply are in different social situation (those who lost a tribal war become the drug, the winners become the drug dealers).

I agree the analogy is retarded.

>In this analogy, the Jewish slavetraders would have been the drug dealers.

True, the African slave sellers are more like the Mexican cartels who control production, while the European (they were not only Jewish and you know that, but a time-honored meme is always welcome) were the American resellers and street dealers.

>> No.12651126

>>12651120
stop Redditspacing

>> No.12651144

>>12651056
>>12651094
I'm aware of Simpson's paradox, but I don't see how it applies in this situation. As far as I understand it, it is only possible when the sample sizes of the partitioned groups are different, but the sizes of the above- and below-average IQ groups are identical by construction. Am I mistaken?

>> No.12651169

>>12651036

Travels in the Interior of Africa by Mungo Park. Also, the very existence of the city of New Orleans.



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12650672 No.12650672 [Reply] [Original]

I'm not a good writer, stylistic wise.

But I think I have some interesting ideas, a funny concept and a good quote here and there.

I'll probably never get published, but this is what I love to do. I have a 9-5 career and this will probably be nothing more then a hobby for me.

I was thinking, why don't I just put all my short works out for free, pay a couple bucks a month for a good looking website. If people like my short works I can put novels out for 2.99 on kindle maybe make a sale here and there. They way I see it the best I could hope for is 100 bucks a month and that would make me so happy.

What do you think? writing even though you know you're not good enough to be a real hit.

Theres this one writer, Scott Sigler, he started this way, just giving all his stuff away for free. I bet if any of you guys have read him you would say he's probably crap. But damn it he's got interesting wild ideas that are just fun to read. I buy his books as soon as they come out now, he gave me tons for free and now I'm hooked and a paying customer. He's a new York times bestseller now.

What do you think? Can a mediocre writer with good ideas carve out his own fan base that likes his unique ideas and make some money doing this?

It's like Stephen King says, "If you can pay a utility bill with money you make writing, you are talented"



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12650654 No.12650654 [Reply] [Original]

What's a good introductory point to literary criticism and theory? It seems to have its own language that is completely alien to me. Are there any good books on the history or core basics of it?

pic possibly related as Derrida is certainly influential in this field

>> No.12650659

>>12650654
Derrida molested children

>> No.12650661

>>12650654
Culture of Critique

>> No.12651041

>>12650654
>tfw we literally had this exact thread
I’ll say it again - Bennett and Royle’s introduction to literary criticism is the perfect starting point. The latter was my academic supervisor and is a very clued in guy

>> No.12651087

Erich Auerbach - Mimesis is a classic in the field.
Northrop Frye is very good as well.

Jacquelin Rose and Elaine Showalter I like, but may not be to everyone’s taste.



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12650640 No.12650640 [Reply] [Original]

For me, it's the author Delicious Tacos. The best fast fiction writer. I even ask for extra blog posts and the author is so friendly and more than willing to oblige.

One time I asked for more blog post and they gave me three. I said, "Wow, three for free!" and the nice friendly author laughed and said, "I'm going to call you 3-for-free!".

Now the author greets me with "hey it's 3-for-free!" and ALWAYS give me three blog posts. It's such a fun and cool atmosphere at my local blogspot, I go there at least 3 times a week for a story and a large iced coffee with milk instead of cream, 1-2 times for breakfast on the weekend, and maybe once for dinner when I'm in a rush but want a great story that is affordable, fast, and can match my daily intellectual needs.

I even dip my toes in his Lacanian analysis, it's delicious! What a great author.

>> No.12650648

>>12650640
I’m imagining that taco as a big, thick, black dick

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>>12650648
Hmmm, but she is biting the taco not sucking it. If we examine this fantasy closer, we see not a story of seduction but a tale of survival. Perhaps the negro of your post, infatuated with her beauty, corners her in an alley and proceeds to force fellatio. But our girl here is a fighter, and upon insertion she bites down hard and fast into the flesh of his erect penis, feeling a distinctive crunch of erectile tissue similar to a taco shell before a torrent of warm blood spills into her mouth reminiscent of taco meat juices. The negro screams in pain as she tears off a bite of taco before spitting it out: this beef has turned rotten. Sweet taco meat juices pump out the torn hafling phallus of the screaming negro as his skin begins to pale. Sensing opportunity, our girl makes her escape from the alley. The negro falls backward against the opposite wall of the alley, quickly losing consciousness has his vital taco juices are drained with every heart beat. Our girl, unfazed by the predictable actions of an uppity negro, makes a late night stop at Taco Bell on her way home. Combo #3 will suffice: 3 Crunchy Tacos Supreme®.

>> No.12650774

>>12650745
I’m strangely aroused after reading this and feel the need for Taco Bell

>> No.12650783

>>12650745
Based



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12650630 No.12650630 [Reply] [Original]

What book makes you feel uneasy? Or paranoid? Or makes you have anxiety? Or makes makes you feel dread?

>> No.12650634

>>12650630
Culture of Critique

>> No.12650646

my diary desu

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12650691

>>12650634
Based
>>12650646
Cringe

>> No.12650703

>>12650691
tiddies



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12650620 No.12650620 [Reply] [Original]

Rugby is the most /lit/ sport. Prove me wrong, protip: bla-bla-bla.

Also, fuck the English!

>> No.12650729

>>12650620
Croquet is

>> No.12650761

I played rugby in high school, I'd estimate that 1/2 of my teammates are now in prison

>> No.12650977

I dunno man. Some sweaty guy in a bandana has been telling me that it's tennis. At least that's what I think he's saying. He keeps interrupting himself to ask me if I think he's being sincere with me

>> No.12651026

>>12650620
Since hockey is the only good sport, I'd say that it's the most /lit/ one as well

>> No.12651052

>>12650620
sports are for lower class retards



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12650611 No.12650611 [Reply] [Original]

For me it's
>The Dunwich Horror
>The Horror from the Vault
>SCP Foundation (SCP-610, SCP-093)
>Saya no Uta
>Bloodborne
>Darkest Dungeon
>TES V: Skyrim (Dragonborn)
Yes, some of these are vidya, but I believe that vidya can have stories as well done as any form of literature.

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>> No.12650777

>>12650611
> Saya no Uta

Based

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12650825

>>12650777
>ywn make love to an eldritch abomination waifu
Life is sad sometimes.

>> No.12650843

>>12650611
War of the Worlds

>> No.12650864

>>12650843
Truly a classic.

>> No.12650867

Are there any other stories like Bloodborne?

Like people using some creatures blood as medicine or a resource, or secret instituions meddling with supreme beings type deal?



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12650600 No.12650600 [Reply] [Original]

Ah, Pope. Have you read him?

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>>12650723
>If I wanted heroic couplets (I don't)

>> No.12651203

>>12650600
His Windsor Forest Pastoral's are a delightful introduction to his delicate use of the classics and the purest christian ideals. To the memory of an unfortunate lady is short but excellent.

>> No.12651263

>>12651125

Heroic Couplets are the least difficult rhyme scheme. Tupac is overrated.

>> No.12651275

>>12651263
dear lord...

>> No.12651286

>>12650600
Pope? Nope.



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12650576 No.12650576 [Reply] [Original]

Damn white people cringe af senpai

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>> No.12651080

>>12651048
I see, so there’s some deeper psychology behind “stuff white people like” that I just can’t seem to understand. I’m on the edge of my seat at what that might be honey bun why don’t you tell me and the rest of the class what exactly that is?

>> No.12651153

>>12650890
Based stroke poster

>> No.12651224

This book is like 10 years old

>> No.12651229

>>12651080

The point is I don’t know all the possible reasons someone might like or dislike this book and neither do you, which is why your statement is ridiculous.

>> No.12651274

>>12651229
You don’t? If that’s a genuine truth I’d have to feel genuinely bad for you. There’s a specific built in audience for this which is based on the premise that the subjects of ridicule will in fact be upset. On the face of it I assume most people that bought this did it in jest but the fundamental point i’m making is that not all of them did and that it’s very conception by definition has all of this tied into it. I can only assume you being so defensive is precisely because I’m declaring this and not because you noticed one of thousands of posters syntax. No reason to muddy the waters.



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12650564 No.12650564 [Reply] [Original]

Is there any scientific evidence that reading will make me less stupid? I didn't read for almost a decade of my life and i've read a few books over the last few months. I mainly read old novels.

>> No.12650608

>me
no



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