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7070169 No.7070169 [Reply] [Original]

Baudolino or the Prague Cemetery. Which should I read first?

>> No.7070186

I personally enjoyed Baudolino more, it's much more a "adventure" story than Prague Cemetery, with more playfulness.

>> No.7070339

>>7070186
which one is easier?

>> No.7070445

baudolino probably

unless you hate jews

>> No.7070470

>>7070169
Prague Cemetary certainly changes your perspective on the /pol/ish sentiments on 4chan, if you have other boards aside from this one (like /v/, /fit/, /int/, and /pol/) its a great read. Its also an easy one, and pretty comical.

>> No.7070471

>>7070445
Prague Cemetary is one of the most artful takedowns of anti-Semitics I have ever seen.



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7070149 No.7070149 [Reply] [Original]

Drill me on the art of writing shit stories I don't care about to get better at writing good stories that I want to write about.

>> No.7070152

>>7070149
Just think of a short story and write it man?

>> No.7070175

Start with imitation.

>> No.7070699

>>7070149
le stream of conciousness xD

>> No.7070709

Here is the basic story:
Meet interesting person X,
Who yearns for Z.
Witness obstacles A, B, and C,
Rendering Z nearly unreachable.
Now watch X strive
And be rewarded, or not.



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7070072 No.7070072 [Reply] [Original]

Does /lit/ keep a journal/diary?
Do you think its healthy for teenagers and young adults to keep them?
What about adults?
Would you ever let anyone read yours?
How would you react if someone read it without your permission?

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>> No.7070960

>>7070836
Yup i just write down whatever comes into my head when i have a chance to sit down. Probably trash but i can sort through it later & maybe improve it

>> No.7071011

>>7070072
Yes. I write like 4 times a week. It's usually about life and I tend to get too philosophical sometimes. I would never let anyone read that because I don't even want to read myself.

>> No.7071024

>>7070072
>Do you think its healthy for teenagers and young adults to keep them?
i heard it has a positive effect on your mental stability and wellbeing similar to seeing a good shrink or meditating.

i tried it, but i can't help but think of myself as an asshole writing down the same depressing crap day after day. i guess it's more fun if your life is interesting

>> No.7071026

>>7070960
most of it is stuff I come up with laying in bed at night, shit I worry about, questions. Writing it down allows me to let these things go--deal with it in the morning

>> No.7071062

I do, yeah.
I think consistent reflection is healthy for anyone, and a journal is helpful because it is a physical reminder to do just that.
I have let people read passages, though never the whole thing.
I would be pissed, though only out of principle, a lack of respect. There isn't actually anything I've written in my journal that I'm embarrassed or ashamed about, even the hooker bits.



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7070052 No.7070052 [DELETED]  [Reply] [Original]

Name a track more sp00ky than Giles Corey's Empty Churches

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vOyI9vRaeyk

pro-tip: You can't

>> No.7070058

>>7070052
Not literature

>> No.7070060

>>7070052

Sun O))) - Big Church

http://youtu.be/K1HEiQJEmBg

Suck it



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7070019 No.7070019 [Reply] [Original]

Three on the go at the moment!

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>> No.7070617

>>7070463
I'm not sure. I don't think so, because I'm not sure if Rosa had gone yet. It seems like the professors visit Amalfitano after Amalfitano's section and Fate's section, which makes me think he didn't. However the chronology is difficult and I'm sure I may have missed hints or clues as to when everything is taking place.

>> No.7070655

>>7070585
That Portable Nietzsche is great. My first introduction to the big N. I think it has an a short piece called 'Homer's Contest' which is one of my favourites.

>> No.7070660

>>7070349
I really need to read Faust. Too many damn books to read & too little time!

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7071300

>>7070019
I'm recording these as I go. Updates weekly

The Grand Chessboard

https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLu5tKfQq0iybAoqpQcrA2QDUGAGnigaCM

The Shape of Things to Come
https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLu5tKfQq0iyZIuueQgJBRzpoIXq9BBRNp

Tragedy and Hope a history of the world in our time.
https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLu5tKfQq0iybY2hiWze543ew_zqVo8il0



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7070010 No.7070010 [DELETED]  [Reply] [Original]

Hi guys, I'm a /mu/tant who has never been on /lit/ before. Is there something along the lines of /lit/core?

>> No.7070012

David foster Wallace and every philosophy book too pretentious to pronounce correctly.



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7070004 No.7070004 [Reply] [Original]

post suicide note ideas

>"Now everybody-"

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>> No.7070089

>>7070004
BAYONETS!

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7070113

>>7070083
>implying e1 and 2 werent best
4 makes 3 look like 1

>> No.7070141

>>7070083
episode 1 is good i havent seen any other star wars movies however. i tried watching 4 but there was this 45 minute scene of c3po wandering around the desert? boring.

>> No.7070247

>>7070053
This. Once you stop thinking, the world also doesn't exist anymore, making leaving a suicide note pointless.

>> No.7070252

>>7070247
>This. Once you stop thinking, the world also doesn't exist anymore

How does it feel being a three year old?



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7069964 No.7069964 [Reply] [Original]

Anybody ever read this?

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>> No.7070351

Yes. It was excellent. Very immersive.

>> No.7070359

>reading books written by women.

>> No.7071015

>>7070359

>You'll never reach Yourcenar's genius

>> No.7071155

>>7070359
>reading books written by women.

there are a few dead lesbians who were excellent writers. don't let your bad experiences with living hetero women cloud your judgment. unlike living hetero women writers the old dead dykes are worth the effort

>> No.7071165

>>7071155

Marguerite Yourcenar was bisexual though



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7069957 No.7069957 [DELETED]  [Reply] [Original]

If there is no god, does it mean everything is allowed?

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>> No.7071195

>>7069957

God was our safety net, now if you fuck up you just die.

>> No.7071201

>>7069957
>Implying there is no god
>Going off based assumption with no credibility

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>>7069957
It means that nothing is true and everything is permitted.

>> No.7071226

>>7069957

Why do you need a god and a guarantee of punishment to uphold morals and ethics?

Morals and ethics all come from within man. At one point in time some guy sat down and made up all of the biblical stories and analogies which have been the foundation of western law and society. Common interest and empathy uphold them today.

>> No.7071231

>>7069957
Depends how you look at I guess, I mean if you discard "God" from the equation, there are most certainly NOT any inherent rules to living on earth as a mammal, or any animal for that matter, you can find example of this at your local park....but then again the majority of us do feel like we are born with a sense of right and wrong, however I believe "morality" is (somewhat) just a delusion of our own consciousness, so I suppose everything is indeed allowed, but that doesn't mean society as it built today will allow it.



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7069951 No.7069951 [Reply] [Original]

Just finished it, that was so nice to read.

Has anyone else read it?

>> No.7070696

>>7069951
No. Is it an overview, analysis or full texts?

>> No.7071945

>>7070696
It's just of collection of the most important stories of greece mythology (Prometheus, Theseus, Jason, war of Troy, Odyseus,...). It's well written.



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7069943 No.7069943 [Reply] [Original]

i've read heraclitus, spinoza, nietzsche & deleuze

who else should i read that belongs to this tradition?

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7074135

>>7074070
>troll

>> No.7074145

>>7074095
>flowers

>> No.7074154

>>7074070
top tier

>> No.7074157

Heidegger obviously.
Avarroes.

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>>7073710
he's dead 2



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7069927 No.7069927 [DELETED]  [Reply] [Original]

Why do people still believe in religions when Sciences give more logical and reasonable answers to our questions ?

>> No.7069930

>>7069927
They're not the answers they want to hear

>> No.7069931

Your question demands far too many answers.

In the words of Philip Roth: "The world will be better a place when no one believes in God."

>> No.7069933

>>7069927
>why don't people believe what i believe?

>> No.7069937

Science answers your questions, maybe.

>> No.7069938

It is a cultural thing. You know most religious people dont actively combat their doctrines with what is scientifically acceptable. The fedoras will tell us how this makes them hypocrites but most scriptures are never taken literally, which is basically impossible anyways since much of it can be interpreted metaphorically, like a fable or something. Only in the last century did people start comparing the two, as if science is some kind of organized order comparable to religion. The purpose of religion in western society is greatly taken for granted because it has been phased out by new social trends.



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7069909 No.7069909 [Reply] [Original]

Thoughts on a hundred years of solitude? I like it a lot but I think that a lot of my enjoyment is derived from understanding and recognizing the characters so well due to my close connections to the author's cultural background. What do Non-latin americans like about the novel?

>> No.7069928

Everyone likes it MOVE ON bean boy.



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7069859 No.7069859 [Reply] [Original]

How many psychedelic enthusiasts on /lit/? describe your experiences.
Have you ever read/written/philosophized while tripping?

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>> No.7070608

>>7069912
>awesome apart from the come up

i really don't get this, the come up is AMAZING

>> No.7070638

>>7070194
this was so good

>> No.7070665

I am interested in them

I have some San Pedro cactci growing in house, but it will take a couple of years until I have a dose that is big enough for at least two people. I might just mail-order some shrooms, that will be less time consumptive.

Anyone have experience with mescaline cacti?

>> No.7070962

>>7069859

Horrible panic experience. I hallucinated/met the saint Peter of Buddhism (which makes no fucking sense). I threw up and farted in a chair for about 10 minutes while caught in an endless cycle of cotton mouth, head splitting, high, and shakes... I thought I was going to die, and that my friend who was there with me was the devil.

>> No.7071240

>>7070962
what substance specifically?



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7069824 No.7069824 [Reply] [Original]

I'd like to read Nietzsche's books but I'd don't know what should I pick first.

Which Nietzsche's is the best one to start with this author ?

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>> No.7069905

>>7069881
No. You are redefining words for him.

You are projecting hard.

>> No.7071551

>>7069827
Start with The Birth of Tragedy to get a sense of his simplified early work. Then read The Gay Science which flushes it out in a more "technical" way. finish with Zarathustra, which is basically gay science shrouded in flowery language.

>> No.7071560

>>7071551
Btw. Don't get caught up in the whole ubermench thing

>> No.7072307

Nietzsche a nihilist?

>> No.7072704

>>7069824

The Birth of Tragedy.

People underrate it because Nietzsche himself later disliked it but I find it to be a monumental piece of thinking.



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7069823 No.7069823 [Reply] [Original]

Favourite quotes from literature. Let's help each other sound more pretentious and more well read than we really are.

"... the bourgeois today burns as heretics and hangs as criminals those to whom he erects monuments tomorrow."

>> No.7069993

>>7069823
but that's wrong Hesse what are you talking about



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7069816 No.7069816 [Reply] [Original]

What do you guys think about Orson Scott Card?

I loved Ender's Game and Ender's Shadow, but dropped the shadow series on the third book, because it became boring political strategy, and the characters of Bean and Peter were literally destroyed.
Also liked Speaker for Dead, though it took me some time to get into it. I like both the cold and strict way he makes his children characters, and also the over emotional stuff. And he makes excellent atmosphere and interesting plots.

But what really amuses me about him
>writes about being completely tolerant towards strangers and their actions no matter how extreme and harmful they are, forgiveness to an alien race that killed millions for nothing and heart tearing pigs
>homophob

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>> No.7070038

>>7069868
>he tries to fit incest into the narrative
Wat? where?

>> No.7070041

>>7069872
>Raptor Roger
everi tiem

>> No.7070059

>>7069816
First book was good but the quality sank in the later ones. But at least he isn't as awful as Terry Goodkind.

>> No.7070381

>>7069816
I think everyone liberals hating him when he started disagreeing with liberals, which goes to show that liberals don't really believe in freedom of expression, which isn't surprising since so many of them are closet Maoists.

>> No.7070396

>>7069816
Closeted, self-hating homosexual who writes reddit-tier sci-fi.



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7069807 No.7069807 [DELETED]  [Reply] [Original]

Any other albums similar to this? So fucking good

>> No.7069808

Oops, wrong board :(



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7069799 No.7069799 [Reply] [Original]

Can we talk about this for a second? Can we just talk about this shit?

As a violent mostly cis male, I don't believe there should be no d u discrepancy between art and artists - as the ideal

As someone who's trying to break into the scene, I more than feel censored; I feel isolated; castrated
The modern male isn't a masculine or violent one, unless we're speaking of blacks who funny enough are being fetishized for it

This is the scene near me. Where am I expected to turn to? The PUA scene?

Before I discovered that this mindset was prevalent I messaged a local writer a story of me meeting a girl, by most accounts my actions would be considered aggressive
No response
I met the girl without telling her who I was. I think I was one of the few that wasn't a regular and she specifically seemed to be warm/welcoming to me. I messaged her again to kind of follow up, showing I was the same person, and got no response
I now realize the next time I see her, I may be asked to leave, effectively being ex'd out of opportunities to network and show my work

It's a fucking joke

>> No.7069804

>>7069799
I believe there should be no discrepancy*
Typo
I believe an ideal artist lives his art

>> No.7069830

Identity politics is poisonous. Its corruption takes the form of both affirmative action advocates and pathetic "reverse marginalized" people like you.

You did a strange thing. You can't just send your work right off the bat to a writer you have a fondness for. You have to build a conversation first. This isn't a networking hint or anything, it's just common courtesy. Based on your bearing and this story I think you're probably 18 or under and are looking to take your rage out on identity politicians because you simply don't know how to present yourself.

Christ, how difficult is it to actually stay on the fence and look at the identity struggle objectively without manipulating the conversation for your own personal gain? You sound like a redditor.

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7070452

>>7069830
When I messaged her, I didn't think I'd ever meet her and was asking what she thought

I'm ambivalent toward any gender politics. My issue is with censorship; that effectively the minority is silenced so the majority feel more comfortable

>> No.7070493

>and we need to do better. We have publications— with good intention! — looking for visceral, gut-wrenching, interesting work, that are open to poetic work critiquing and deconstructing the misogynistic, patriarchal climate in which we are all operating. That’s so great, but it matters who is writing the poem; it matters who is doing the critiquing

She's not only saying her viewpoint should take precedence, she's literally saying that even that work should seek to be published by authors similar to her and not judged on its own merits

How affirmative can action get



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7069785 No.7069785 [Reply] [Original]

If you don't toast toast, is it still toast?

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>> No.7070013

>>7069785
yes. your starting point is toast, and you're not toasting it further.

>> No.7070040

>>7069785
Toast becomes toast through the process of toasting bread.
Henceforth, if you do not toast bread, it is not toast.
If it is already toast though, it cannot be toasted again. Because repeating the same process on toast will simply turn it into burnt toast. Thus the process is simply burning toast. It can't be called toasting, as it is not producing toast.

The OP is completely wrong, and facile, as you cannot toast toast.

>> No.7070057

>>7069861
science answers real questions
philosophy answers pseudo questions

>> No.7070061

>>7070057
science answers nothing

>> No.7070066

>>7069785
No. It's bread. Duh.



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