/lit/ - Literature

>>17125729
>i could buy the "acceptable" condition books off amazon but i dont want a disease
nothing in this world has quite as much soul as a smelly old beat up paperback. go for it

>>17125729
Lots of people have been practically bathing in old books for a long time.
Bibliophilia.
Never heard of catching sick.

>>17125729
Those books on the right are like the books in Myst.
I can hear the portal soundtrack.

>>17125729
i hope this is bait holy fuck. you should be trying to keep your books in the best condition that you reasonably can. if you buy a lot of used books you'll find many somewhat worn ones and those are the most important to treat with care. it's not fun to read a half destroyed book, if you purposefully damage your books and you plan on re reading them, you will end up having to buy other copies

>>17125870
>soul as a smelly old beat up paperback
Oh, you're a man of culture I see.

Anything for ISFPs other than poetry, Buk, and Kerouac

>>17125783
>soulless autistic robots
>superior to anything

>>17125838
this

Isn’t efficiency and application the whole reason for that type? Idk op, text books in areas you want to get educated in and apply? Most intjs who get into philosophy seek truth in this world and a reason for the behaviour of people before finding that people are generally mentally ill and there are very few and only vague answers. Read Newton and Spengler I guess, both intj. Godel is also great for some actual answers, think he’s considered intp. Maybe try some Khaldun, Wittgenstein and Marx too.

>>17125838
Ancient Chinese philosophy, also healthy for intj

>>17126622
>seems a bit fantastic that they would be worried about literary legacy in the midst of political intrigues
You were quite impressive keeping up from the start, until you got caught slippin' about the queen right there. I'm even pretty sure the whole cover up was her idea.

>>17126527
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Philology
>A related study method known as higher criticism studies the authorship, date, and provenance of text to place such text in historical context.

>>17126540
It is this one - https://www.amazon.com/Christopher-Marlowe-Complete-Plays/dp/0140436332
Now let's check the preview of the book:
https://read.amazon.com/litb/B002RI9LMQ?f=1&l=en_US&r=dfda5bcc&ref_=litb_m
Does that text look modernised to you, language-wise?
I'm acting like a jerk because I think that most posters here shouldn't be so uninformed as to think that Penguin publishes modernised texts, or that Amazon reviews are that reliable.

>>17126593
Yeah, the Shakespeare "project" was so ingenious that they published the works irregularly and shoddily during his life, barely compiled his complete works years after his death, and worst of all picked the least regarded form of literature at the time, also the worst for long-term transmission.
>the royale court wanted to create a legend. A literary prophet who will outlive his times. The only way to do it was to gather up all Elizabethan genius playwrights at the time and take that secret with them to the grave.
Believe it or not, but people in the past did not all act as if they fell out of a bad novel for women. Go write some fanfiction instead of pretending you care about historical facts.

>>17126750
Whose manlet is this?

>>17125711
This edition--cambridge, edited by Bowers--has the original spelling.

>>17126750
>I'm acting like a jerk because I think that most posters here shouldn't be so uninformed as to think that Penguin publishes modernised texts, or that Amazon reviews are that reliable.
It's a good thing I double checked isn't it? I am genuinely thankful for your input though. It's always good to hear from another source. And you seem passionate about it which is always a good indication in my book

>>17126233
Wind up bird chronicle protagonist is most definitely a murakami self insert

>>17126249
Okay that's the one I'll agree with but Hard Boiled Wonderland? His short stories? Even Kafka doesn't feel that way.

You need to read the western canon, read shinto myths and listen to a lot of jazz before you can move on to Murakami.

>>17126272
Murakami was an anti-Adornoist all along

>>17125687
all the sex in it are incest.

>>17125768
>real pastor
>doesn't even believe his religion is right
He's not an actual pastor is he? Seems like a larp.

>>17126492
Have sex.

>>17126492
This is a cow-rightener. It is used to right a cow which has been flipped on it's side without injuring it.

>>17125768
>Is being gay a sin? Nope
I agree with this sentence but only if it's followed by "but acting on it is"
t. Muslim

>>17126516
It wolves in sheeps clothing, it does nothing but keep people in their sin and feed their ego

Generative Energy by Raymond Peat

>>17125654
sounds like a malcolm gladwell book

>>17125654
Bergson, whe he talks about intuition. Also Poincare -->>>17125700

>>17125779
ya dude thinking fast and slow

New Self New World by Philip Sheperd is what you're looking for. highly recommend

>>17125602
He was metaphysically miming creation in order to get the message through his thick skull when he got older

>>17125602
nigga wuz hungry

>>17126160
Reddit tier comment and proof you never even read confessions.

>>17126160
he was a sus imposter indeed

>>17125633
He was black, so that makes sense

>>17125594
>you see, your philosophy is cool and all, but it needs to account for trannies too so its not good enough
there you go

>>17126224
Almost two minutes went by and you still didn’t read the post above yours

>>17126258
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>>17125987
bum-bum shit

>>17125621
But you must admit, there are some linguistic advances made under it. As there was also advances in truth and language made under the ridiculousness of the Sophists. However that was nothing someone like Plato didn't already know.

>>17126286
who's analogous to Plato in the post-structual period?

>>17130045
Huh? Teenagers have sex and talk about sex in real life, why is it so wrong to depict that? Because it gives you a boner and that makes you ashamed?

>>17126670
I don't remember a father pulling a gun on anyone in River's Edge either. Just the crazy dude who has the sex doll.

>>17126247
you're thinking of a scene in dazed and confused

>>17126846
most people will happily share their deepest darkest secrets with a relative stranger provided he's willing to listen. it's literally how con men operate

>>17126846
Teenagers do almost nothing but talk about sex with other teenagers.

Do it.
Get the Everyman's edition linked above; it is a decent tradition and as other anons said the books are well made (proper binding, bookmark ribbon etc).
The book is like life; long and with some boring bits. But worthwhile on the whole. If you get (and keep) a decent edition then you can reread it, which is what the book really needs - it will seem like a new novel when you read it again in middle age.

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>>17129215
Don't do this. Get the hardback version of the modern library edition. It is superior.

>>17125552
I'm currently reading it in French (La Prisonnière vol 5) it's really great, one of the best prose I have ever read.
I found it quite hard to get into for the two first volumes, lot of characters are introduced but the narrator doesn't interact with some of them until vol 3-4.
Choose an edition with good notes too.

>>17126607
hows the translation of that one?

>>17125674
Normally I’d laugh at the funny bait but I’ve seen you sincerely defend benzoman before. Tripfags should be gassed at any rate

>>17129414
It's acronym anon, anagram is when you mix the letters in a word up to get a new word.
Still funny tho.

>>17125512
>hardest =/= worth reading
In fact the relation is quite the opposite.

>>17128838
Have you tried reading Difference and Repetition? It's not an easy text. A Thousand Plateaus isn't that difficult in comparison. Most chapters can be summarized in a couple paragraphs at most, each chapter will circle around one basic idea again and again.

>>17128800
It's that you read a sentence and while you've understood all the individual words, the sentence itself doesn't come together to form a coherent sum of its words.

Consider this sentence that opens the second section of Julia Kristeva's Approaching Abjection:

>If it be true that the abject simultaneously beseeches and pulverizes the subject, one can understand that it is experienced at the peak of its strength when that subject, weary of fruitless attempts to identify with something on the outside, finds the impossible within; when it finds that the impossible constitutes its very being, that it is none other than abject.

Or this sentence from Judith Butler:

>The move from a structuralist account in which capital is understood to structure social relationships in relatively homologous ways to a view of hegemony in which power relations are subject to repetition, convergence, and rearticulation brought the question of temporality into the thinking of structure, and marked a shift from a form of Althusserian theory that takes structural totalities as theoretical objects to one in which the insights into the contingent possibility of structure inaugurate a renewed conception of hegemony as bound up with the contingent sites and strategies of the rearticulation of power.

I can give you a definition for every individual word in both those sentences, but both you gotta read a couple of times to really get your head around what exactly they are trying to say.

And then once you get that, you are trying to mentally connect one sentence to the next in a paragraph and within a chapter.

A book like Mark Fisher's Capitalist Realism you can just read and comprehend with relative fullness upon first reading, without having to re-read many (if any) passages. A book like Heidegger's Being and Time requires the reader to take it one sentence at a time, re-read each sentence, refer to a second translation and the original German to track the use of keywords, and attempt to make notes, all before moving on to the next sentence.

In my experience Hegel PoS, Kant's CPR, and Deleuze's DR are all books that require something like that level of attention to really grasp what's going on. Badiou's BE has major sections which are like that, but a lot of the book is far less dense. Wittgenstein is difficult, but his writing is also vastly more lucid than anybody else on that chart, and it's far more likely the reader will just need to take lengthy breaks to think through sections, rather than puzzling over the first order meaning. I don't have first hand experience with the other ones.

>>17129607
How do you reconcile calling my post bait if you know it's sincere? Sounds like cognitive dissonance. Also big fucking discovery, the Peterson shill shills Peterson.

What is the oldest ("most lindy") book that you can still get value from today?

>>17125495
Is there any book that is similar to his work but is not from him?

where's the link to his 4h life book?

>>17126290
Antifragile

>>17125495
i'm glad he brought groin mobility into the conversation, it's a hugely important subject

>>17125650
Uh oh, I see cringe

Simone Weil, Savitri Devi and Ayn Rand

>>17125485
Lmao Tumblr feminists love all that shit

>>17125828
>men of low status are sexually castrated by women of their own society
Does this make anybody else irresistibly horny? It fills me with violent sexual energy to imagine such a system and the women within it.

>>17126341
No we don't.

t. Tumblr feminist

>>17125402
Pedophilia is wrong but 13 year olds aren't children

>>17125402
Ethics of Liberty by Murray Rothbard

>>17125545
:^)

>>17125532
You know nothing. Socrates gets an implied erection in Charmides.

>>17125545
based

>>17125399
Of course they claim not to do so. But the fact is that it takes ten times more faith to believe Dawkins failed claims than it does to accept Christ.

>>17125409
I wish I had as much faith as you do. Unfortunately I cannot accept the theory that the entire universe came together from a random process. I guess I accept Jesus because I am more skeptical by nature.

>>17125409
You should read "The Ancestor's Tale"; it's good stuff.

>>17125434
>Unfortunately I cannot accept the theory that the entire universe came together from a random process.
The negation of design isn't randomness.

>>17125434
>believes that one day everything came from nothing for literally no reason
>skeptical
Uh...

>>17132363
Der Spiegel

bump

The Pearl.

>>17133209
I do not know about that, Anon.

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>>17133209
Thanks anons.

>>17125368
Just read what you are interested in. The only waste of time philosopher is the one(s) that you don't care about. If you ask this because you want to get a broader knowledge of philosophy, and you are not sure who to skip. I can recommend you to read books about the history of philosophy or you can ask yourself what are you especially interested in. ( I mean like for example: do you want to know how does mind and body relate or how political systems justify themself etc.) And go from there.

>>17138732
Only good answer in this thread. Rest are pseuds in a dick measuring contest

>>17137908
Redpill me on Soul (2020).

>>17125368
I think autism like Kant or Hegel is beyond worthless, but if people like reading that shit it's fine. Whatever floats your boat.

All the ones who aren't Christian, and I say this as a former atheist retard

>>17125317
I wonder why Polanski changed books since it's pretty minor.

>>17125299
think the movie was accurate.
That DQ set was sweet, and actually exists.

>>17125333
Yeah.
The book is all about The Three Musketeers—and all about it’s author even.
don’t think movie even mentions The Three Musketeers.

>>17125317
The movie basically takes one of the book's subplots and erases the others.

>>17125333
>Polanski
>since it's pretty minor
Kek

>>17125264
Raymond Carver
Juan Rulfo

>>17125264
Molière
La Fontaine
Both are pretty straightforwards in the main message they want to pass but there is so much more going besides the lines

>>17125283
I forgot about Carver.He writes so simply that it seems anyone can copy him but the imitators are spotted from a mile away.What are some good entry points for Rulfo?He's been on my tbr list a long time since I went through a Cortazar and LatAm lit phase

Nikolai Berdyaev