/lit/ - Literature

I readed maps of meaning and think it be a goodly introduction into a framework jungian for the understanding of the our universe, Jungian psychology is not meaned for the masses but it is true, now this fact reminas a constant in our daily to daily lives. I think his bookle proffers a goodly and above all soft leading to the of Jung theses

>>21030607
Uhh, I think you got things a bit wrong, buddy. The dragon of chaos is not a metaphor for Peterson, it's his fabrication and the incomprehensible graphic I posted is taken from Maps of Meaning.

It's clear enough that JP was struggling with his narcissism from pretty much the moment he became internet famous, talking about shit he had no clue about and trying to stay relevant in ways that were just plain absurd, but benzos+twitter really pushed the poor sucker over the edge.
In some parallel universe, JP is still spending his time being a clinician and lecturing about the history of psychology and modern ways of understanding spiritual experiences. Some of his lectures are on youtube, and some people seem to really like them. In this world, /lit/ also discovered maps of meaning, and the schizo graphs became a similar kind of meme to what they are here, though there are more creative edits from anons either half-mocking their own beliefs or parodying various philosophical positions by turning them into peterson graphs.
It is a better place in a lot of ways.

>>20949306
that isn't in maps of meaning faggot face

I readed maps of meaning and thought it was an exhilarating adventure through the reesesses, of the human mind. Some of the personal antidotes get quite dense but man I don't understand why people on here don't like him. he's on our side when you look at the big picture

>>20937575
Yes, things that your parents told you, but your parents don't expose themselves to you like he exposes himself on the internet. You are missing this part. At least, this is why I started watching him and reading his books, his Maps of Meaning is a great book to understand those things. I have read the first 3 chapters and they were great. I still have to finish it.

>>20932387
He's greatly influential on pop culture, maybe the one internet character I've heard people talk about in my still culturally isolated country, quite positively also, but his entire shtick is histrionic prot preaching, so his influence on actual philosophy or literature will be very limited if any. Maybe there's more to him in Maps of Meaning? Idk.

One cultural trend that I think he's somewhat responsible for is the late glorification of normie life. It's a mystery why he's called a hero of the incel community, admittedly I've listened to few of his lectures, but I distinctly recall one where he was essentially calling for all them to be put down as aberrations, irrevocably incompatible with Being (clean your room or else). So you now find most internet groups (on the right) trying to paint themselves as the normies (well-adapted), or even as overnormies (the most beautiful, the most initelligent & successful).

In general he's very gay, mb a much needed father figure for some losers, but otherwise the kind of conservative who wants to go back to the 00s & would demand you don't divorce a woman who cheated on you, it's actually your fault and your DUTY!

>>20930580
Maps of Meaning

>>20927242
>Why was he wrong about literally everything?
He wasn't. Will to Power as the principle of all motivation is as simple as Peterson's theory in Maps of Meaning that states all positive emotion is experienced as the individual facilitates a goal. All values are relational because everything that is "relevant" has to be connected to something else it affects, which means it is as relevant as it is powerful. Master and Slave morality are as self-evident as the fact that some people pursue goals and some people run from obstacles.
>>20927242
>Also, why is he associated so heavily with the right wing when every leftist professor loves him?
Jordan Peterson is influenced by Nietzsche but openly rejects the Will to Power and the idea that all values are relational. The right basically sees him as a self-improvement guide but they ignore his emphasis on following passion and identifying higher nobility with the type who will harm themselves in devotion to what they love. They unironically think master morality means "clean your room, get a job, talk to women".

>>20899590
Truth be told, Peterson is more intelligent and more articulate than 99% of the people who use this board, let alone the site in general. They dunk on him and call his well-explained ideas basic and "mid" to feel intellectually-superior, when in reality Peterson would destroy any of you neckbeards in a debate.

Maps of Meaning was good, I'd recommend watching his Biblical series on YouTube while studying the Bible for a better understanding of its themes and narratives. They're very long, but the series is an excellent companion to the Summa Theologia. https://youtu.be/f-wWBGo6a2w

>>20903736
maps of meaning. was like 90 leafbucks

>>20901069
So, his textbook Maps of Meaning is not original at all with regards to its content but it is highly creative and valuable respecting its form. He collated a truly titanic amount of very difficult information by pulling it out of some insanely abstruse theory and wrestled it all together into something approximating an instruction manual for analytic comparative meta-mythology; in other words, it's a handbook that teaches you how to speak and read the language of dreams.

Very impressive work for the age at which he accomplished it.

Regardless of every other silly and idiotic thing he does in the public sphere, acting as if he is stupid is simply foolish.

>>20900038
If you're going to go down that road then I'm sure you have a very well thought out argument as to why Maps of Meaning is so lacking in quality that it can hardly be called literature.

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>>20899590
Maps of Meaning is fine; people are (probably) complaining about his public persona after the pronouns stuff. Personally I think he bit off more than he could chew and was co-opted as a mouthpiece for a lot of things he wasn’t particularly good at talking about.

>>20899605
Maps of Meaning is a book, you flabby ape.

honestly what's with the hate for this man? I've luked here for years and only ever seen hate thrown in his general direction. I just finished maps of meaning and it's a decent introduction to more complex Jungian concepts you can read more up on in Aion and Man and his Symbols. Honestly, what's wrong with introducing Jungian psychology to a broader public hungry for meaning in a world that offers them nothing but ahistorical notions of social justice and trivial bullshit like pronouns?

>>20898152
Read Tolkien’s essay “On Fairy Stories” for perhaps a different perspective on escapism and what is so appealing about fantasy.

As for life advice, I guess just introspect and try to find out why you feel compelled to constantly escape into fantasy. What is it about the fantasy setting that entices you? Try to find that thing in your life or alter your life to be more like that. Or is it just a hatred of the modern world? Then try to make your experience less like the modern world, minimize that aspect in your life. Is it just a general ennui with the mundanity of life? Read Jung, Campbell, and Peterson (Maps of Meaning) to uncover the archetypally mythological nature of everyday experience.

If none of that works, just carry on and derive what meaning and fulfillment you can from your reading.

>>20866324
wrote a book called Maps of Meaning which has some kino passages. not op.

>>20775630
My homo bro, you're talking to someone who knows a lot about the things he talks about. Just because he dumbs it down doesn't mean it's wrong.

And just because you haven't read Maps of Meaning doesn't mean you can pretend it isn't a seminal work in the field.

>>20722365
Maps of meaning was a 10/10 textbook, but /lit/ is mostly peoples nowadays by trannies from /lgbt/ and kiwi farms aspires.

It's pretty clear peterson has decided to focus in on the young males who still may actually have a chance to turn their lives around, as opposed to the 30 somethings who feel his message has reached them too late, and with too little impact, mostly as a consequence of their own wasted potential.

Don't spend a decade and a half jacking off to men in thigh highs, boys. You'll end up like the retards bashing him for hiring a pr manager.

>>20688408

Adding to this: Peterson seems to align almost entirely with Sowell's conception of modern capitalist practice, which is to say it's practically antiquarian at this point. The issue with Sowell's broad take on how capitalism functions in North America is predicated on the idea we all share a similar moral compass or have the same foundational pillars to our morals and ethics as our neighbours do. For the likes of Sowell and Peterson, corruption in an economic system is a sign of moral decay and not an actual function of real-time markets adjusting its variables to maintain the flow of goods and services. For social conservatives, they see capitalism as a mechanism that is eroding morals and ethics. For fiscal conservatives, they see the moral decay and ethical decline of the West as separate from capitalism's function. Neither Sowell, Or Peterson, even entertain the notion that an economic system and a society's moral and ethical boundaries intersect and can influence one another. The only times they do acknowledge this is to say that capitalism provides a positive, beneficial blueprint to a moral and ethical way of life in a manner which is totally detached from its practical application. He's also hypocritical far beyond the average human being. Peterson's household cleared $1.5 million per annum long before he was ever internet famous. He lives in a 3 story manor in the most coveted neighbourhood in Toronto, but still sells little 2x2 carpets based on his ridiculous cover-page of Maps of Meaning for $3500 a pop. He set up a Patreon so the very same low-income, low-self-esteem, meandering and wandering legions of young men Peterson states he wants to assist can provide him an additional $700,000 a year atop of his million-plus dollar incomes and purchase his $3500 bathroom carpets.

I would also consider pausing and wondering if it's really a good idea to gain your moral and ethical grounding from a guy who tells you to wash your penis and clean your room and treat your body right, and proceeds to smell like a Sasquatch covered in stale Stetson cologne whose office is a fucking mess. When his health, caused by his own addictions, finally caught up to him he proceeded to fly to Russia in order to go into a medical-induced coma to beat his Benzos addiction and rehydrate his body with essential vitamins after using patreon bucks to live solely off of Wagyu steaks. This coming from the same person who tells you to confront your problems consciously, head on, enduring whatever punishment comes your way.

>>20688197
I like him a lot, from what I've seen.

Both of his series of lectures are great. Maps of Meaning is also a good book expanding on jugian psychology.

He seems to have becoming more like a ranting old man since dwelving into politics, and the fact that his family has been kicked in the teeth relentlessly by health issues.

>>20688197

He was more palatable when he was dressing as a bonified genuine fedora tipper giving 3-5 minute monologues about Canadian progressiveness having no blueprint or end-goal on TVO's 'The Agenda with Steve Paiken.' He's a clinical psychologist with an affection for Western religious canon (He was often seen in Toronto Catholic churches) whose entire tenure at U of T has been riding the coat-tails of 'Maps of Meaning' that he released three decades ago. J. Peterson's first idea against 'cultural marxists' was to create a national government-enforced catalogue of professors and their syllabus that would be constantly monitored for 'Marxist activity.' The man is upset the government is turning towards a surveillance state predicated on emotional gut-responses and so he has an emotional gut-response to suggest state-sponsored surveillance on academia. He's intelligent in the field of negative-reinforcement Jungian psychology but in terms of religion, Western canon, history, political discourse, etc.. He's an absolute hack who researches like a first year undergraduate student. I guarantee you Peterson's academic inquiries stop and end at him plugging in buzzwords into JSTOR and then quoting the first academic article that agrees with him.

This man turned out to be the most divisive philosopher in maybe the last 20 years. Probably 50 really. Never read any of his shit but it's clear he's just having fun now that he's reached greatness. Will pick up maps of meaning to appreciate this man's work while he still lives.