/lit/ - Literature

>>16714853
I dont believe in God friend.
>>16714864
>>16714870
>You are in a position to think you are in pain. In fact, you're by definition in the best position to have intuitive grasp of your own position.

It is your own perogative
>>16714870
>Sure, some enlightened people will say they "feel" that somehow all evil is justified
I dont think the Dao feels any need to justify itself.

You see you are still in meta thinking mode, which permanently is an illusion. There is no meta. Even if God came down with a chariot and brought you to heaven, it would still only be an extension of the totality. Even God cant escape it.

>>16714835
Im more akin to Ecclesiastes. Life is hevel my friend.

This is a good summary (although i encourage you too read the actual book, its not long and its a real rollercoaster)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VeUiuSK81-0

>>16714510
>Does the whole contain everything? In which case, it contains experiences of suffering
Yes.
>which, btw, isn't the type of experience 'enlightened' people describe
We must know different enlightenments.
>they don't start feeling and knowing and being everything
Correct

The point isnt that life isnt suffering or "bad" thats what buddhists think, its completely fine.

The problem is thinking you are in any position whatsoever to judge it. It is like being 3rd grader critiquing common core for teaching you badly.

You are permanently shrouded in the totality, and all that is good and all that is evil and all your ideas about them are part of this totality.

>>16713855
Fair points and all that.

I always was more of an Ecclesiastes guy than a Job Guy,

The book of Job has underlying it the godly promise of meaning and direction, which i think is a big mistake...

>>16712804
listen while writing this post, a gust of wind rustled the leaves of your window board.

>>16712571
>You first
Ok, here we go. The hell realm of the future; (desire, anxiety, delusion) The hell realm of the past (shame, guilt, confusion) These two hell realms are not past and future itself but (your idea of) them.

As any lawyer will tell you, the past is a lie. And we all know Nostradamus was not really a time traveller, and neither are we.

So where does that leave us? It appears the future and the past are both ideas rather than realities. This is not to say there is not cause and effect and time, just that the (idea of) time is eternally wrong.

Where does this place us? In a web of lies and falsehoods we can never escape? Almost. These ideas are but a manifestation of reality, thus they are real, the question is; are they aligned with the external world? The answer is No, never can be.

So is there a truth? Yes. There is the truth beyond ideas, the truth is being itself, the only truth.

Now here comes my issue with you; Where can these ideas take you but madness? How can these ideas ever transcend the plane which produced them? For every idea you have is reliant on evolution, history, and memory. There is nothing beyond these.

>>16712532
good argument.

>>16712499
>>16712433
also a side note did you ever get into Rune Soup and his archonology? (https://runesoup.com/2013/03/archonology-things-that-persist-part-1/))

>>16712433
>arguably the greatest cope ever concocted
Its the exact opposite, its truth, as opposed to your imagined escape. The totality will spread wherever you go. You are one of us forever and no amount of autistic fun time you have with your Gnostic and other dualist friends will ever change that.

>>16710701
>realizable through knowledge
Say there sir, would you be interested in some Zen Buddhism?

>>16709947
anti-semites are disgusting

>>16709547
>Evil is not a body imposing itself on another body (in whatever way), it's the FACT that bodies can impose on each other in the first place

I could agree with you, but i have 1 (one) problem with this. You are applying an external measurment rod to the totality. There is no such external place. We are forever enclosed in the Dao. Thus every evil and every good is simply suchness.

There is no life there is no death, there is only life. Your life.

With this view in mind the correct way to be is compassionate, generous and joyful, for there is nothing else.

>>16709518
Well see, it depends on how you define harmony. Sharks keep harmony in the oceans, our ideas about it makes it good or bad.

Is OP still here?

>>16709478
>Yes, actual demons, entities that thrive on pain, suffering, and the objectification/destruction of bodies.

This is where dualism takes you, these exist, people like this exist. Also these impulses exist in this thing we call a polity. And powerful people are and always were involved, but who cares?

Generally speaking life is not like this, and we have far more to fear from abstract forces like capitalism and environmental degredation than from any individual player.

>>16709164
>>16709058
Archons, Kings, Emperors are all slaves to the humble man.

>>16709340
ew

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>>16708385
>>16708849
Do you have any solid arguments against non-dualism?

For anything which purports to not be of this world would still be defined by this world, thus included in the totality or "Tao". anything 'meta'-physical is defined by the physical. Try and define concioussness or being in anyway not reliant on memory or necessity, you will not succeed.

>>16702429
>Cuck
>Seethe
>cope
>ahahah libtards btfo
>Why yes i did get most of my insults from my porn-addiction how could you tell?
>Why yes i have never had a job how could you tell?
>Why yes i am a virgin living with my parents how could you tell
>Why yes i had a MGTOW phase how could you tell

Just go and have sex for once you fucking faggots.

>>16705491
Brahman is the big Tao.
Atman is the small Tao.

>>16697512
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>>16694261
Start with the micks

>>16645660
My post.

First you need love and devotion. love and devotion for humanity, you are devoted to mankind now.

Second you need acceptance. When you are depressed and under the ice, there is still joy there, although it is weak, focus on the joy and accept the depression. Do not be afraid of it for it is a vital part of the joy

Third you need stillness. Only the present moment exist, the future and the past are ideas in your head. This moment is all there ever was. the glow of your display monitor, the sunshine through your window, (or the night sky)

>>16645842
truth.

>>16642797
Well at the very least they are non-dualist.