/lit/ - Literature

Samuel Delany was a gay pedofag who was involved in piss orgies

Michel Foucault fucked little Algerian boys in a graveyard

I read Invisible Man by Ralph Ellison, Song of Solomon by Toni Morrison, and Dhalgren by Samuel R. Delany.

>>22492110
Who is delany?

>>22480079
Compared to Delany, Peake, or Wolfe she's a fucking hack. Where are the writers of this caliber in the space?

>>22461639
>Dune
>Anything by Moorcock
>Anything by Delany
>Anything by Burroughs

manz kinda look like samuel delany

>>22436141
really strange (bad) take on sorokin

he doesn't shy away from sex/drug use/violence/abjection but it's far from the level of many famous western writers (like selby jr/cooper/delany/kane etc) and not even amongst the worst offenders of edgelord russian writers from his time (that's probably limonov)

at the same time, he is simply a way better writer than a hack like palahniuk

and lastly, sorokin is literally a devout christian. read ice trilogy for example - it's all about transcendence of vulgar materialism. when sorokin uses abject stuff there or elsewhere (thinking day of the oprichnik) it's only to satirize the corrupted morals of modernity

maybe he has a different reputation in russia - i wouldnt be surprised if it was more negative, given the fact that he is a vocal critic of the russian state

Read Samuel R. Delany, for his books are rather zany,
Even if he's black and gay, you cannot shame me
Dhalgren has a great premise and execution,
You should see before you dilate with allocution.

>>22428936
GRRM talks about that here. Apparently Delany and Zelazny used to sign each other's books because people always mixed them up.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V56WRApNUzM

Just found out Zelazny and Delany are two different persons

>>22409605
>what is the best way to ensure that people actually bother to read your writing, in the modern world?
Here's a few author's perspectives.
The most direct answer is the Steven King route. Write what is fashionably popular and get lucky. Don't neglect the lucky part.
Delany ended up a PHD professor of literature. He was by all accounts both a popular and very effective teacher of creative writing. Advise: get a side gig you can live with and keep trying at experimental fiction that is also popular.
John Gardner took on a side gig as a teacher as well only to discover how quickly students will improve under a popular and effective teacher. So much so he stopped teaching to devote himself to writing full time just to stay ahead. Advise: give it everything you have and get rid of your motorcycle.
Yes, Delany and Gardner are kinda contradictory here. It is what it is, although Delany had a hell of a longer run than Gardner.
Finally, Gore Vidal. Advise: you are dreaming of a world that no longer exists. Culture and technology have ended writing for the sake of writing as a profession. Make academia your target audience instead.

>>22409544
>>22409569
In light of both of these things: how the hell do you get read any more?

I am a minor writer and poet; I've had some short stories published and some poems published, including one poem that made it into a major intellectual journal several years ago. For several years now I have been hard at work on a long story that I think is pretty good; I've got a buddy who's read every book and short story in it so far, and he's convinced I'm a genius. In general I have gotten high praise for all my work and this current endeavor of mine may be my magnum opus.

So how do you get that kind of writing in front of people these days? I honestly don't much care about the prestige of traditional publishing, I'm well aware the whole industry is infested with shitlibs and idiot women. I don't care about traditional publishing as an accomplishment in itself. It's far more important to me that they still control the abilty to produce books at scale, and they still possess the abiltiy to advertise and promote new writers, and both of those things are things I crave.

But even so, if, as Delany says, the vast majority of even traditionally published writers never amount to much, what is the best way to ensure that people actually bother to read your writing, in the modern world? If you think you've got a good story on your hands, what's the best thing to do with it, in 2023, to ensure that as many people read it as possible? Is it still traditional publishing, for all its flaws? And if not, what is it?

>>22407214
Regarding pro/anti minority bias in publishing, Samuel R. Delany had this to say. It's worth fighting the bias against minority writers because it can be overcome. But, once overcome, you're still faced with an industry where 90 percent of all never get anywhere nor do anything notable. Of the remaining 10 percent, only a small proportion will be able to support themselves on their own as writers doing nothing but writing.
Bias there be, but it's not enough to merely overcome and expect success automatically follows.

Hogg by Samuel Delany

>>22271239
Delany is a gay light-skinned black man but his politics aren't cut and dry, I'd say he approaches the entire matter with common sense and a level head, at least from the interviews I've read.

>>22263757
"Through the Valley of the Nest of Spiders" by Samuel R. Delany.

>>22264028
I see not only are you not that anon, but you can't comprehend either. I did say I read gay shit in books all the time, once the faggets aren't places on a pedestal I can stomach it. It's when you try to pander to, or make what you are trying to appease greater than the story is when the problems start.

Go read Samuel R. Delany to see how you put faggets into a book.

>>22256778
Like who, David Groggins? And don't you dare say Samuel Delany.

>we penetrated deeper and deeper into my anus of darkness
Damn that Delany interpolation was weird

Dhalgren's prose is dogshit. You can tell how hard Delany is trying to sound poetic with his forced modifiers, clunky style, and purple prose but just compare him to other genre writers like Leguin, Wolfe, Gibson, Peake, or even Pynchon and you can see how bad his writing is.

>>22238804
Not in the slightest. Take BM and Dhalgren and read it out loud side by side, you'll notice how full and measured McCarthy sounds compared to Delany.

>>22238698
Based delany poster. Just finished reading three books of his myself:
Atlantis
Driftglass
The Einstein Intersection

>>22238709
>all I can think about is him navigating a forest of strange cocks in a storage container
Classic Delany

Delany is an amazing writer, it's a shame people here strictly focus either on his race, sexuality or Hogg.

Absolutely. Read Samuel R. Delany.