/lit/ - Literature

>>23514614
See
>>23514583
>>23514598
There is no visual component to graphicaudio, confusing name I know.

>>23514613
The only "magic" i have is talking birds and scifi hallucionogens. I don't really feel the need to explain those much other than keeping to the notes i wrote from some of my very religious vision quests and what i remember, what i clearly remember is how "illogically logical" it all was.
No, the complex things i feel the need to elaborate on are archaic political systems and social orders that would probably make sense to some village hick where i live, but i doubt they would read, like, at all, and i don't know how to break this to urbanite types. Presently that's kinda besides the point if i have no clue how to write the actually important stuff.

So, if i understood you right, i should make a more detailed outline of the story, elements and characters BEFORE i write the vivid stuff? I'm used to planning way too much for artsy stuff anyways, never like it when i start right away and bungle my was to the finish line, sometimes it works, but other times the result is usually just good for firewood. I brood on ideas for years before i get to them. I am assuming writing is similar to normal art in this way.

V

> Here we go round the prickly pear
> Prickly pear prickly pear
> Here we go round the prickly pear
> At five o'clock in the morning.

Between the idea
And the reality
Between the motion
And the act
Falls the Shadow
> For Thine is the Kingdom

Between the conception
And the creation
Between the emotion
And the response
Falls the Shadow
> Life is very long

Between the desire
And the spasm
Between the potency
And the existence
Between the essence
And the descent
Falls the Shadow
> For Thine is the Kingdom

For Thine is
Life is
For Thine is the

> This is the way the world ends
> This is the way the world ends
> This is the way the world ends
> Not with a bang but a whimper.

IV

The eyes are not here
There are no eyes here
In this valley of dying stars
In this hollow valley
This broken jaw of our lost kingdoms

In this last of meeting places
We grope together
And avoid speech
Gathered on this beach of the tumid river

Sightless, unless
The eyes reappear
As the perpetual star
Multifoliate rose
Of death's twilight kingdom
The hope only
Of empty men.

>>23514611
Evolution isn't a cultural phenom you fucking retard. Its a theory and the origin of species is outdated in the pursuit of knowledge.

III

This is the dead land
This is cactus land
Here the stone images
Are raised, here they receive
The supplication of a dead man's hand
Under the twinkle of a fading star.

Is it like this
In death's other kingdom
Waking alone
At the hour when we are
Trembling with tenderness
Lips that would kiss
Form prayers to broken stone.

>>23504430
He wrote himself into a corner and now he's stuck. He killed an important character and later found that he needed them. GRRM is a self-styled 'gardener' type of writer. He doesn't plan anything.

II

Eyes I dare not meet in dreams
In death's dream kingdom
These do not appear:
There, the eyes are
Sunlight on a broken column
There, is a tree swinging
And voices are
In the wind's singing
More distant and more solemn
Than a fading star.

Let me be no nearer
In death's dream kingdom
Let me also wear
Such deliberate disguises
Rat's coat, crowskin, crossed staves
In a field
Behaving as the wind behaves
No nearer-

Not that final meeting
In the twilight kingdom

>Mistah Kurtz-he dead
> A penny for the Old Guy
I

We are the hollow men
We are the stuffed men
Leaning together
Headpiece filled with straw. Alas!
Our dried voices, when
We whisper together
Are quiet and meaningless
As wind in dry grass
Or rats' feet over broken glass
In our dry cellar

Shape without form, shade without colour,
Paralysed force, gesture without motion;

Those who have crossed
With direct eyes, to death's other Kingdom
Remember us-if at all-not as lost
Violent souls, but only
As the hollow men
The stuffed men.

>>23514604
and a planning tip: if you know roughly the end of each scene/act, the major character changes, and the ending of your story, then you are halfway there.

>>23514608
yeah that makes sense, but OP is talking about visuals as well.

>>23514604
When I was in your position I did this
>or do i make the scenes that are most vivid in my head first?
and I was able to write those scenes very easily, but when it came to stitching them together into the wider story I had a lot of trouble. Once I switched to planning, I was able to look forward and have a better idea of what the connective tissue between those key scenes were.
There's definitely something to be said for spending too much time planning, but again, if you're struggling to do the writing itself then its time well spent, as you'll be saving yourself time in the future during the writing stage.

I have notes for all my major characters and parts of my world that a reader won't be able to infer from experience. E.g. if you have magic in your story, it's probably good to have some notes on how it works. You don't need to write notes on how 'horses' work, because audiences know that.
These notes normally are not longer than 500-600 words each. It took a little bit of time to get it all down but it means I have a LOT less to keep in my head when writing.

>>23513295
>>23514610
Stop trying to reinvent the wheel, pseud faggot.

Yes you actually should
This is exactly the problem with modern people
Everybody thinks they "get" something like the Origin of Species because it's been accepted into the zeitgeist
But the reality is all of these formational texts are full of details and knowledge that people really don't get or otherwise would change their perception of the information into something more accurate
There's like this huge bubble of cultural information surrounding everybody that they take for granted but this information is more than just the sum of its conclusions

>>23513295

>>23513639
This is solved by actually reading the book yourself.

>>23514454
You could listen to them WHILE playing a video game. Or when traveling, or cleaning, or exercising, or anything really, that's the major appeal for audiobooks. They're perfect to throw on whenever you're not doing anything that requires particular focus.

>>23512214
>I also wonder why Enkidu, the wild man, became civilised through sex.
Not just sex, but through woman. I've heard the opinion a lot (especially on /out/, kek) that civilization exists almost exclusively for the benefit of woman. For the ease of living, the ease of childbirth, and the ease of child rearing that women require. The last place a woman wants to be on her period is in a cold wet forest, and men are willing to accommodate her. Men generally don't give a fuck about hardship and would return to monke if they could. All men are Enkidu, and all women are Shamhat.

>>23514421
>Black Company
The Glen Gook book?
>Drenai
A series told out of chronological order I see, those are fun.

>>23514603
Depends on area, but evolution is not a difficult concept to wrap your head around

>>23514600
That's better, thank you.
Yes this is my first attempt at anything longer than a few pages. My first attempt at writing anything with no visual elements. Usually i just make images of scenes from whatever story i have in the head.

>>23514591
Yeah, I get that, but I don’t think they explain it full besides bareboned, poor essentials. Then again, the teacher could also decide how deep it goes into getting the essentials fully expained and edified into students’ understanding.

>>23514597
...like just screenshot your notes or something i could genuinely gleam a lot from that without any explanation provided

>>23508715
I tend to agree with this. Love Plato to bits, but I prefer direct essay/treatise type philosophical texts over ones that involve dialogue or narrative. The Oxford Handbook for Plato is good for this, since they're essays about the individual (more known) dialogues. I plan to get it after I finish reading Plato.